To be devastated at the demise of the Labour Party, and to wonder how anyone can look at themselves in the mirror if they vote for Corbyn now?

[snowagain]

Just that really.

Been a Labour supporter all my life, til the last election. Because hell will freeze over before I will vote for Jeremy Corbyn.

I am literally devastated at the demise of the Labour party, that has been systematically destroyed from the inside out, by Corbyn and his cronies, and by Corbyn's pathetic behaviour. From his denial of bad behaviour from his party, to the way he shuts down anyone who challenges him. (Including reporters, and his own people ..... if they don't agree with everything he says, he sacks them.)

In the last election, for the first time ever in my life, I was unable to vote, because I am not voting for Conservatives. (Even so, if I HAD to vote by law, I would vote for Conservatives before I would vote for Labour.)

The Labour party is dying a slow and painful death, and is a laughing stock. First of all we have the standing joke that is Corbyn, with his bizarre 'extreme-left' bollocks, and refusing to answer any questions that don't suit him, .......'Mr Corbyn what about the antisemitism in in your party?' 'YES it is a nice day isn't it? Thank you, goodbye!' Fucking twit!

And then we have his ludicrous and laughable cronies... Diane 'can't count for toffee' Abbott, Monroe 'bigoted ranty' Bergdorf, and now Eddie fucking Izzard in a dress.

Even people I know who were obsessive Corbynites a year or so ago, are cringing with embarrassment now, as he turns the party into more of a laughing stock every day. And as I said in the thread title, how can anyone POSSIBLY support him and the Labour party now?

That's it really. I am literally so gutted at the demise of my party.

Until Corbyn fucks off and takes his cronies with him, Labour is dead to me. And I know a LOT of people who think the same!

R.I.P. The Labour Party. 😢😢😢

I don't think JC has much in common with Labour's core supporters in the North. I have great respect for John Mann who to me seems a man of the people type who represents Labour values. JC, Abbott and Izzard may appeal to the London left but not their Labour voters in the North.

I've never voted labour, but if I had the opportunity to vote for Corbyn, I would. I don't believe he is anti Semitic, he is just pro Palestine, and for that reason alone he has my vote because the Israel situation disgusts me so much.

He may have made a lot of fuck ups as a politician, but no worse than any others imo. Ultimately, I trust him more than any others not to take us into unnecessary wars and not to screw over poor people, so of course I'd vote for him.

duchess couldn’t agree more.

crunchy he did but he won’t again. That was literally the tuition fees bollocks and he’s back tracked on that. Theresa May had a disastrous campaign and still won.

Dianne was so incompetent in all her interviews he took her off air! He hasn’t got a competent front bench team because all the best of labour won’t serve with him.

@snowagain I have never voted Labour, never intend to. But I feel for all those who did, because I can see how JC seemed like a completely clean slate, a return to Labour of old. But the mask has slipped and you must be incredibly disillusioned.

And I also feel depressed that the Government doesn't have a credible opposition to hold them to account. PMQs is just toddler squabbling, there is no coherence coming from Labour. It's all just a shitshow.

Like millions of others, I feel we need the Tories out. They are screwing us over massively.

But Corbyn's Labour? Hmm, I don't know. I don't think so.

I am not a Labour supporter but I don't want a weak Labour party and I fear that is what it has become.

I want a strong opposition to a government who is lost over Brexit. I want a strong opposition to keep this country together as we face the hardest times since the War. I want an opposition I could stomach voting for as the alternatives blow themselves up.

I want an Yvette Cooper or Andy Burnham to cheer on as they keep this country on the rails as a good opposition does, and to vote for as a decent alternative.

Nails

He will totally screw over poor people by borrowing billions to do pointless things like nationalising industries and railways and inflation will sky rocket.

Tweetiepie1000

Using ageist & misogynistic language isn’t doing your cause any favours.

Corbyn is standing up to the neo liberal consensus that has done untold damage to families and communities for 40 years. That is why the establishment fear him.

There is a huge open goal through which Corbyn should be firing a barrage of goals. And yet.........nothing. He is the Tories greatest asset at this moment in time. Nodding meekly at every unfolding facet of the Brexit fuck up. Enabling their ineptitude.

This exactly. If ever Labour had a chance to get back in, it's now, but he can't do it. Well actually, he WON'T do it, because he's more concerned with internal party politics than the state of the country, and because he's just as anti-EU as any right-wing frother.

I thought Starmer might be the voice of reason and redeem the party, but he seems to have caved in to the party line.

It's fucking depressing. I live in a constituency where the Labour MP will actually have to cark it before anyone else gets in, so my vote is never more than symbolic anyway, but my conscience won't let me vote for them any more.

Yes Andy is competent. Yvette has my total support as labour need a woman leader. About bloody time. I like Benn too. With those 3 we could start properly opposing the tories.

*but being passionate is not an excuse for using racist and misogynistic offensive language ever. Tweetie 'Jew hating' is racist.

Gotta laugh at the far left calling people nasty tories and bigots and shit, and then calling Theresa May a 'hook nosed old bag.'

As I said, it's such typical of the hypocritical ranty far left, who are as bad as the far right, but for different reasons....

Very glad to see a lot of posters are as disgusted as I am about that post.

None of the Corbyn supporters are having a go at @Tweetie1000 for saying anything though.

Funny that isn't it??? And as I said, very typical of the hypocritical and disingenuous far-left....

On debates like this, it doesn't take long for them to show their true (nasty) colours, and the show they are more bigoted than any 'daily mail reader' or Tory!

@gabbyleo you talk about tories name calling -why are you not having a go at tweetie1000 for her vile comments about Theresa May???

Well go on then........... Don't want to make yourself look like a hypocrite do ya?! And you're going to look very silly if you don't have a go at her too!

Corbin seems to have become increasingly eccentric. The whole no seats on a train thing was bizarre when the camera plainly showed multiple free seats unless everyone was 3ft or under so not showing above the back of the seat in front. Very odd currently.

As for Blair, irrespective of the great things his govt may have done, the insistence on the presence of weapons of mass destruction cannot be ignored, look where that landed us. :(

snow is a lifelong labour supporter but didn't recognise labours achievements as posted by bam?

Ok

Even i recognised them and i voted tory in all but the last two elections

Would agree however that i have 'no one to vote for' now

Its just a bloody shambles

Sadly Corbyn is not standing up to neo liberalism in all its forms, probably because he does not actually understand it. Corbyn is old traditional labour. Socialist in economic policy, misogynistic and supporting various popular left causes without really understanding all the implications.

Op I arrived at this conclusion looking at Corbyn plus McDonnell and looking into the back catalogue of Seamus Milne before the last election.

My sister and mum will hear no ill of Corbyn and knead told by pompous brother that "I'd have to live with myself" for not voting Labour.

It takes all sorts to make the world!

I want a credible opposition: Dan Jarvis leader in 10 years perhaps..

@Shotsfired

snowagain I have never voted Labour, never intend to. But I feel for all those who did, because I can see how JC seemed like a completely clean slate, a return to Labour of old. But the mask has slipped and you must be incredibly disillusioned.

Yeah this. ^ Well said. And a lot of people feel the same. As this thread proves. Apart from several 'individuals' the thread is generally full of people who agree that Corbyn is useless and is wrecking the Labour Party.

"I was told" of course.

Gabby

You can’t have a debate with the hard left or the hard right. It’s pointless as they are so entrenched. It’s the middle ground you need to win in elections and I completely agree with you caselgarcia the North and the Midlands, Cornwall etc will just look elsewhere to vote when they see the London centric Izzard!

That’s how Brexit happened. London centric politicians on both sides totally out of touch with middle of the road voters.

Complete and utter disaster.

My Jewish friends are very worried though. They fear they will have to leave under a Labour government.

At first I thought they were hysterical.. Now I am not at all sure.

crunchy he didn't actually do well in the previous election. He increased the share of the vote in areas already voting Labour, which is nice but doesn't actually get you anywhere, and, after the appalling campaign TM had he really should have done better and won more seats. The fact that his loss was treated as a victory by some in the party is just another reason to despair. And since then he's done fuck all to capitalise on his so-called popularity.

The first job of any party is to get elected.

People need to calm down once they election campaign begins and policies are actually talked about. People will realise how much the Tories have fucked up this country. The Tories were supposed to win by 400+ seats in last election and look what happened. Bit by bit the Tory party is collapsing and they know it. Except to see more Tory puppets on these forums trying to cause trouble. Why won't the OP talk policies?

How true this is i don't know. However I heard that if you don't vote your vote automatically goes to the party that's already in power as in effect they say.
Well you didn't bother to try and vote us out. There for you must be happy with us
As I've alluded to though. I have no idea how true that is