To be devastated at the demise of the Labour Party, and to wonder how anyone can look at themselves in the mirror if they vote for Corbyn now?

[snowagain]

Just that really.

Been a Labour supporter all my life, til the last election. Because hell will freeze over before I will vote for Jeremy Corbyn.

I am literally devastated at the demise of the Labour party, that has been systematically destroyed from the inside out, by Corbyn and his cronies, and by Corbyn's pathetic behaviour. From his denial of bad behaviour from his party, to the way he shuts down anyone who challenges him. (Including reporters, and his own people ..... if they don't agree with everything he says, he sacks them.)

In the last election, for the first time ever in my life, I was unable to vote, because I am not voting for Conservatives. (Even so, if I HAD to vote by law, I would vote for Conservatives before I would vote for Labour.)

The Labour party is dying a slow and painful death, and is a laughing stock. First of all we have the standing joke that is Corbyn, with his bizarre 'extreme-left' bollocks, and refusing to answer any questions that don't suit him, .......'Mr Corbyn what about the antisemitism in in your party?' 'YES it is a nice day isn't it? Thank you, goodbye!' Fucking twit!

And then we have his ludicrous and laughable cronies... Diane 'can't count for toffee' Abbott, Monroe 'bigoted ranty' Bergdorf, and now Eddie fucking Izzard in a dress.

Even people I know who were obsessive Corbynites a year or so ago, are cringing with embarrassment now, as he turns the party into more of a laughing stock every day. And as I said in the thread title, how can anyone POSSIBLY support him and the Labour party now?

That's it really. I am literally so gutted at the demise of my party.

Until Corbyn fucks off and takes his cronies with him, Labour is dead to me. And I know a LOT of people who think the same!

R.I.P. The Labour Party. 😢😢😢

Do you

That’s convenient for Corbyn supporters

May is such a better candidate she lost her majority and had to rely on the DUP and issuing 1.5 billion to an administration that has been collapsed for over a year

The problem is that despite her many, many failings - bad policy, bad public speaker, party divided over Brexit - she was actually the better candidate because she won more votes and more seats than Corbyn.

I think personal insults against Dianne Abbott is probably scrapping the barrel tbh.

Me too, which is why I am criticising her actions.

No I just dont waste my time with people who can’t see beyond misleading and inflammatory headlines.

I switch off when people scream about hamas.

Can only hope Corbyn takes critiscism a little more seriously.

Abbott has a history of making rather strange statements

I don’t doubt her intelligence or her work ethic I don’t always agree with her but foot in mouth is something she has been known to do for sometime

enthusiasm yes but when she has those moments, she is vilified for them. When Boris has them, it’s all ‘oh what a silly chap! What a hilarious buffoon he is!’

Yes double standards with Johnson and abbot.

The referendum is a Tory mess and theirs to sort out
This exactly the sort of attitude that makes my blood boil. The whole thing is bloody mess, yes caused by Cameron calling the vote but I stand by my opinion that Corbyn did not nearly enough to stop it.
We all need to pull on our big boy/ girl pants and work across parties to sort it out. Compromise is not something Corbyn does and that really concerns me.



Corbyn not sharing a platform with Cameron
Again more of the same. ‘We won’t work with those Tories, even if it is for the good of the country.’ Blinkered and unhelpful.


During the referendum corbyn did a q and a session with young voters that was broadcast on Sky News.
I know I saw it. But it was with a relatively small group of already politically engaged young people. He wasn’t tapping into those who had no idea of what the vote really meant. And if you want to engage young voters then you use their platforms like Twitter, Instagram etc. I know Corbyn can engage the youth. He is the master of it with his tub thumping speeches and rallies. But he chose not to do it during Brexit and that speaks volumes to me. And therefore he is also culpable in this mess.

snowagain-you did say "school and college".
You forgot to mention that he went to prep school as well, rather than refusing to go at the age of 7 so that he would be immune from attack on the subject 60 year later.

I'm not a Corbyn supporter. But I do think that his long history of involvement with the trade union probably gives him better working class credentials than any other high profile politician at the moment.

And it is very interesting that Abbot's gaffes remain so very much to the fore while Johnson's just seem to vanish.......

@Ghostoffrankgrimes

I switch off when I hear about Hamas...

As a pp said, very convenient...

Then again, ALL Corbynites switch off when something comes along that they don't wish to discuss, or want to hear about. They learned it from their Messiah.... Mr Corbyn. When something comes up that they have no answer to, they stick their fingers in their ears and go 'la la la I'm not LISTENING!!!!!!!!'

Then they start laying into the Tories with inane ramblings that barely make sense, to try and take the attention away from how appalling Labour is now, how the party is a joke, what an idiot Corbyn is, and how 100's of 1000's of staunch Labour supporters of many decades have deserted the party.

I feel embarrassed for them to be honest. The Corbynites have come across very badly on this thread.

Perhaps we should just humour them...... they are so deluded and brainwashed that there is no point trying to reason with them......

Boris carefully manages his image of being the buffon

I think people can see through this they know his ambition but he is charismatic as much as we would like to pretend this shouldn’t matter in politics it does

Abbott isn’t and yes she is held to account more being a black women I wouldn’t deny that

Right I’m being told I’m deluded and brainwashed by people who use tabloid cliches and misinformation. Ok.

Boris’ offensive comments should matter but they clearly don’t given he is foreign secretary. Double standards indeed.

The labour party is a joke

But then so is the tory party

Shite state of affairs

ghost

And by someone who although a lifetime labour supporter obviously wasnt paying attention when They were last in power

Well said snowagain.

‘I switch off when I hear about Hamas’. How absolutely ridiculous. Why should we give credence to anything that you have written on this thread, when you openly admit that you do not engage with topics that are challenging for you or which reflect badly on JC?

I don’t think Diane Abbott is any more gaff prone than Boris Johnson and I agree that she is deliberately targeted by the right wing press and the abuse she receives is racist and sexist.

The problem is that the bar for a capable politician can’t be Boris Johnson. Boris Johnson constantly undermines his prime minister, and is generally assumed to only have a job so that he has to maintain some appearance of loyalty. (Not working very well).

Whataboutism just makes the Labour Party appear complacent and ineffective and helps the Conservatives who have won elections by portraying the Labour party as complacent and ineffective.

The Conservatives are in a complete mess at the moment, but many Corbyn supporters seem to be more interested in campaigning for Corbyn’s right to be crap too than demanding better.

That’s was to FrankGrimes of course. And well done to snowagain for calling them out.

To go back to anti Semitism. Do people think that Corbyn is personally anti Semitic? That he dislikes Jewish people, would not employ a Jewish person or go out with one, or be upset if one of his children married one? Would he make anti Semitic jokes? If so-how has this been shown?

Right I’m being told I’m deluded and brainwashed by people who use tabloid cliches and misinformation. Ok.
I don't think you are either brainwashed or deluded. I just have a different opinion that you. Neither do I use tabloid cliches and misinformation, I watch, listen and make my own judgements.
Corbyn is not the devil incarnate but neither is he the messiah. I think he is a great orator and idealist. I don't see him leading the country.

I think Corbyn does not give a stuff about anti semitism. And I was shocked at him defending a clearly anti semitic mural.

I switch off to certain smears eg “hamas” “IRA supporter” because they are tabloid hysteria. The context to this things have been explained by Corbyn and people who understand the nuances of the Middle East and Irish politics. Eg communicating with republicans in the 70s and 80s to open dialogue. People scream about corbyns so called “friends” but don’t seem bothered about former republicans serving as Tory councillors. Double standards as with johnson and abbott.

I suspect he was an IRA supporter in the past, a lot of the hard left were.

I've seen photos of him at it with those bastards. That's not fake. I'm just as sickened by May cosying up to those UVF bastards, the "democratic unionists.
Why can't our politicians stand up to those extremist fuckers and tell them we don't want our country run like that.