To be devastated at the demise of the Labour Party, and to wonder how anyone can look at themselves in the mirror if they vote for Corbyn now?

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Just that really.

Been a Labour supporter all my life, til the last election. Because hell will freeze over before I will vote for Jeremy Corbyn.

I am literally devastated at the demise of the Labour party, that has been systematically destroyed from the inside out, by Corbyn and his cronies, and by Corbyn's pathetic behaviour. From his denial of bad behaviour from his party, to the way he shuts down anyone who challenges him. (Including reporters, and his own people ..... if they don't agree with everything he says, he sacks them.)

In the last election, for the first time ever in my life, I was unable to vote, because I am not voting for Conservatives. (Even so, if I HAD to vote by law, I would vote for Conservatives before I would vote for Labour.)

The Labour party is dying a slow and painful death, and is a laughing stock. First of all we have the standing joke that is Corbyn, with his bizarre 'extreme-left' bollocks, and refusing to answer any questions that don't suit him, .......'Mr Corbyn what about the antisemitism in in your party?' 'YES it is a nice day isn't it? Thank you, goodbye!' Fucking twit!

And then we have his ludicrous and laughable cronies... Diane 'can't count for toffee' Abbott, Monroe 'bigoted ranty' Bergdorf, and now Eddie fucking Izzard in a dress.

Even people I know who were obsessive Corbynites a year or so ago, are cringing with embarrassment now, as he turns the party into more of a laughing stock every day. And as I said in the thread title, how can anyone POSSIBLY support him and the Labour party now?

That's it really. I am literally so gutted at the demise of my party.

Until Corbyn fucks off and takes his cronies with him, Labour is dead to me. And I know a LOT of people who think the same!

R.I.P. The Labour Party. 😢😢😢

Corbyn didn't appoint Eddie Izzard. He was the runner-up in the NEC elections, voted by the membership, and therefore automatically took Shawcroft's place when she resigned.

Izzard's place on the NEC is bad news for Corbyn because he represents the moderate, soft left of the LP, and not Momentum.

At the last election Diane Abbott increased her majority to 35,000 with 75% of the vote despite her bad interview. Worth remembering that. The Sun described her win as her 'hanging on'.

Shortly after her disaster Phil Hammond had a similar melt down in a radio interview getting the figure for HS2 wrong by about 63%. No-one seems to remember that.

Followed by Boris Johnson car crash with Eddie Mair, so bad it made DA look like Einstein said one commentator. No-one remembers that.

But everyone remembers Abbott.

I like Corbyn because he doesn't rely on the politics of personal destruction. He wants a debate on the issues not about people, that doesn't look good at PM Questions.

I don't think he's antisematic but, like so many, has to tread the thin line between opposing the Israeli government (who ignore UN resolutions) whilst not to be seen criticising those of the Jewish faith.

petronius totally agree with you. Not a big Corbyn fan these days but the smear campaign against some Labour politicians is disgusting and I can’t believe people are too blinded to see through it. Especially the parroting of phrases like ‘unelectable’ that they clearly just hear and decide to repeat without thinking for more than 10 minutes what it might mean.

What I find shocking is people screaming justice and equality whilst turning a blind eye to some of the DUPs dubious beliefs and Boris Johnson’s history of “gaffes” eg watermelon smiles. Hardly surprising I draw the conclusion that those dedicating so much time to being “outraged” and “sickened” by JC are Tories.

Given the choice between May or Corbyn I'll always choose Corbyn. I'd never ever vote Tory and I can't see the point in voting anything else unless you are prepared to risk a Tory government again. They're running the country into the ground, making a mess of Brexit (which they shouldn't even have made possible in the first place). What a shambles.

"Izzard's place on the NEC is bad news for Corbyn because he represents the moderate, soft left of the LP, and not Momentum."

Ok, thank you for clarifying, my mistake . I stand by what I said about his anti semitism though.

If Corbyn were electable, Labour would be streets ahead in the polls instead of level-pegging. May is still considered to be the better candidate for PM, by a large margin.

Apart from the residents of Islington N, the only people who've elected Corbyn are the new LP membership.

Ghost. Bloody outraged by Boris too. I don't spare him . But this thread isn't about Boris.

Ghost. Bloody outraged by Boris too. Room for both.

May is such a better candidate she lost her majority and had to rely on the DUP and issuing 1.5 billion to an administration that has been collapsed for over a year. Money issued just weeks after May went on national tv telling a nurse she couldn’t have a pay rise because their was no magic money tree

Monster - Yes. I used to think that Corbyn wasn't really anti-semitic. Just dim. I've changed my mind over the last week.

Not about May. About the failure to oppose her through the ballot box

Gussy, so much time is dedicated to holding corbyn “to account” and so little to doing the same with the Tories that I’m highly dubious of this level playing field of standards.

Of course you are dubious. You are in thrall to JC. Anyone who dislikes him is a Tory. Obviously.

I have dipped in and out of this thread and admit I haven't read it all. But broadly I agree with the OP. I have always voted Labour but won't vote for Corbyn. That is for a whole host of reasons, all discussed on this thread in great depth.
Do I think he is always treated fairly by the press? No? But even looking. Beyond these 'smears' the bottom line is I don't trust him and his crew to run a government. I don't think he can balance the books and I don't think he is prepared to listen and compromise which is inevitable in government.
It saddens me that some people genuinely feel that they are entitled to call others 'Tories' just because they don't agree with the far left. There is a whole vast expanse of middle ground, literally a no man's land, that is no presented in British politics at the moment.
And yes I agree Brexit is a shambles but Corbyn was appalling during the referendum campaign. His lukewarm responses did nothing at that vital point in time to engage young voters, who could have a made a real difference and whose futures are the most affected. It has also taken months for Labour to come out with a clear post Brexit position.
Just because I don't support Corbyn does not make me a Tory.

I don't think Corbyn is held to account at all. I think he's pretty much been given a free ride all things considered. TBF, I think all the MPs are getting away with too little scrutiny. Rees-Mogg is another one who bears closer examination.

It’s hardly a smear to say Corbyn’s labour is unelectable - that’s a statement of absolute fact, he didn’t get elected. He feels like a victor as it didn’t go quite as badly as everyone thought - not the same as being an actual winner.

The Maybot et al still formed the next govt.

Btw, re Abbott and her increased majority, Corbyn increased his vote share in Kirkcaldy the year he lost the general election - go figure, sometimes local constituents will dig in for loyalty’s sake when the rest of the UK thinks you are losing.

Becuase being Labour or former Labour Party voters/supporters/members we are wanting the party leader to hold the Tories to account in Parliament

It’s been a pathetically poor show even after their gain last year

May is still PM and with poor leadership from Corbyn they are on their way to win another election

During the referendum corbyn did a q and a session with young voters that was broadcast on Sky News.

Or win the next election

As someone will soon point out the Tories didn’t will the last election

If Corbyn could build a consensus, he could’ve stopped Brexit. Yes the Tories should never have issued the referendum, but Brown managed along with other fantastic scottish politicians to avoid Scottish independence, but Vorbyn couldn’t build an anti Brexit consensus adequately.

I do not understand how anybody can believe Corbyn has consensus building credentials - he hasn’t built one amongst the left.

Ha brown not Corbyn re Kirkcaldy vote share :)

the referendum

Oh you are really scrapping the bottom of the barrel now

Corbyn not sharing a platform with Cameron

Yet Hamas supporters that’s ok

So promising to cut tuition fees to get elected is wrong, but lying about 'cutting the deficit, not the NHS' and then flogging large chunks of it off to Richard Branson and wittering on about the Brexit dividend when you're about to drive the economy off a cliff is ok?

I think personal insults against Dianne Abbott is probably scrapping the barrel tbh.

The referendum is a Tory mess and theirs to sort out.

I switch off when people scream about hamas. No context and ignores dubious things the government does eg arms sales to Saudi. Nothing is black and white.