To be devastated at the demise of the Labour Party, and to wonder how anyone can look at themselves in the mirror if they vote for Corbyn now?

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Just that really.

Been a Labour supporter all my life, til the last election. Because hell will freeze over before I will vote for Jeremy Corbyn.

I am literally devastated at the demise of the Labour party, that has been systematically destroyed from the inside out, by Corbyn and his cronies, and by Corbyn's pathetic behaviour. From his denial of bad behaviour from his party, to the way he shuts down anyone who challenges him. (Including reporters, and his own people ..... if they don't agree with everything he says, he sacks them.)

In the last election, for the first time ever in my life, I was unable to vote, because I am not voting for Conservatives. (Even so, if I HAD to vote by law, I would vote for Conservatives before I would vote for Labour.)

The Labour party is dying a slow and painful death, and is a laughing stock. First of all we have the standing joke that is Corbyn, with his bizarre 'extreme-left' bollocks, and refusing to answer any questions that don't suit him, .......'Mr Corbyn what about the antisemitism in in your party?' 'YES it is a nice day isn't it? Thank you, goodbye!' Fucking twit!

And then we have his ludicrous and laughable cronies... Diane 'can't count for toffee' Abbott, Monroe 'bigoted ranty' Bergdorf, and now Eddie fucking Izzard in a dress.

Even people I know who were obsessive Corbynites a year or so ago, are cringing with embarrassment now, as he turns the party into more of a laughing stock every day. And as I said in the thread title, how can anyone POSSIBLY support him and the Labour party now?

That's it really. I am literally so gutted at the demise of my party.

Until Corbyn fucks off and takes his cronies with him, Labour is dead to me. And I know a LOT of people who think the same!

R.I.P. The Labour Party. 😢😢😢

Ghosto

Makes you suooort Jeremy even more! Are you Dianne Abbott?

Jesus look st the facts. It’s ok for teens to worship one direction but it’s slightly ridiculous in adults. Presuming you are over 18 that is.

Love it, SnowJoke!

It lost its way under Blair. Its lost its way going too far the other way with corbyn.

I'm pleased actually, it needs to burn down entirely and we need a phoenix rising from the the ashes.

Totally reformed new blood labour party.

Dazed - nothing wrong with a United ireland...

Just one question though - what would you propose to do with the several thousands of people who live there but self identify as British

This is the problem with the left - quick to jump on a hobby horse but with no idea how to fix it!

I’d rather be on the side of someone who stood up for their beliefs rather than happily swallowing lies just to be on the “winning” team.

This is so deliciously ironic on so many levels ...

I'd rather be on the side of someone who stood up for their beliefs rather than happily swallowing lies just to be on the “winning” team.

But what about when those beliefs are hateful and stupid?

I’m not voting for Labour , and I can’t imagine ever doing so again unless things have a huge sea-change. The “trans women are women thing” ,Lily Madigan with his stupidity, misogyny and block list , the anti semitism, the utter disregard for women, the gaslighting, the throwing out of feminists. I’ve never voted conservative, but I would if they were talking sense on these issues. I am disgusted with labour. DH is a lifelong labour voter and he feels the same.

I also find it bloody hilarious that there are people who think anyone who doesn’t unquestioningly support the current iteration of the Labour Party is a Tory shill. I mean, seriously?

I get this all the time. People have such small minded, polarised political views. Why is every criticism of Labour met with ‘yeah but Tory scum though’.

I don’t vote Labour, oh and guess what I don’t vote conservative either.

Labour is a cesspit at the moment. This has nothing to do with ‘Tory scum’. It’s to do with their far-left, anti Semitic and old fashioned sexist, mysogenistic members.

Any talk of ‘Tory scum’ is just a distraction from a party that should have been banned after the digusting Iraq war. How anyone good person could vote again for a party that caused all that death is beyond me.

Pooryorick

It’s the politics of the underdog I think. What I find ironic is that an anti west party, who feel Britain needs to humbly retreat from the world stage, at the same time are happy to criticise the Jewish state - almost exclusively to anything else. The Labour Party is better than being a single issue protest party

Corbyn called Adams and McGuinness sell-outs because they were soft on the unification of Ireland. The idea that he was involved in the Peace Process is laughable.

He is a bear of little brain who learnt his politics at his mother's knee. There is no room for compromise or nuance in his personality. He can't hold two conflicting thoughts in his head at the same time. 'Four legs good. Two legs bad'. West bad, NATO bad, Russia good. It's not just Salisbury. He didn't accept that Syria/Russia had bombed the aid convoy or used poisoned gas. Referred to the accusation as 'alleged'. Israel bad, Hamas good - even when it paid suicide bombers to blow up school buses and pizza parlours.

He was head of the Stop the War Coalition, the coalition being with Free Palestine. And very selective they are when it comes to which wars they want to stop. Most of them are in the SWP.

Glad to see that Momentum are clearing out their stables. Or say they are. I'd bet my house that the 4,5,6? Labour councillors/candidates who've posted Holocaust denial material on line are members of Momentum. Just imagine the uproar if only one Tory or UKIP councillor had done the same.

It isn’t a single issue party. It has been opposing privatisation, austerity, housing etc but this doesn’t suit your narrative

GhostofFrankGrimes

It’s this tidal wave of bullshit and misinformation in threads like this that makes me support JC even more.

Diane, he's not coming back. I'm so sorry.

Ghost of - you make my point for me - all the party does is oppose. It finds things to disagree with. But worse than that - it’s narrative sides with our rivals and enemies.

What? We should all come together under the patriotic flag and support arms sales to Saudi. No thanks. Nothing wrong with opposing things we find abhorrent

It's one thing not to be excessively patriotic. It's quite another to hate and despise your own country as the current Labour leadership does.

It has been opposing privatisation, austerity, housing etc but this doesn’t suit your narrative

So just empty populist rhetoric with no actual solutions?

We could listen to one of his stances about being anti EU and how he understands that sticking up for the working class is not giving the ability to grant big business access to cheap imported foreign labour, funnily enough though that many of his disciples have projected onto him that he is pro-eu, as for austerity in his last manifesto he was not going to undo the majority of the benefit or austerity cuts...

Trump ran on a campaign of looking after themselves first and said any dissenting voices that highlighted the devoid facts and figures was fake news ....

Those arms sales to Saudi help provide revenue that runs our schools and nhs. Saudi Arabia will obtain weapons elsewhere if not from us.

Do you object that Iran has weapons supplied by Russia? Do you think a weak Saudi Arabia would serve to increase instability in the Middle East because Iran might seize its chance?

You don’t have the first idea what you are talking about. That’s a fact. You moan and whine about things you simply do not understand from the safety of a country you apparently have little time for.

So just empty populist rhetoric with no actual solutions?

Try reading the manifesto. I'd suggest reading the Tories also but it got ripped up after the election.

I have some extreme left wing voters on Facebook. They like to see themselves as caring socialists who love everyone, but there’s a frequent albeit often subtle anti Semitic undertone to their posts. They just seem to think that it’s ok to have an issue with Jewish people whilst mostly only seeming to care about the rights of Arab/Muslim communities. It’s so messed up, but they’re utterly blind to it.

Wow. 23 pages of...... Opinions and I'm not sure just how many facts (I guess that's politics summed up!)

I like JC. I find him amusing, a breath of fresh air and I don't believe half the nonsense in the paper about him, compared to Cruella de Ville over in the blue party. Would I vote for either of them, nope. Not a chance. I don't think either are capable of the job, for very different reasons of course.

Good post thyme, and spot on about jc.

It's not about the manifesto it's about the person. He is weak. He is manipulated by extremists. He can't spot antisemitism when it is staring him in the face.
He is totally unsuitable for leading the country.
Which is the job he is going for.

Interestingly, those who I know in my own life to be most vocal as champagne socialists tend to have well paid middle class occupations. I wonder how ghost of’s nest is feathered to sustain her views

Caring and socialists do not belong in the same sentence!

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-corbyn-on-northern-ireland

Those arms sales to Saudi help provide revenue that runs our schools and nhs. Saudi Arabia will obtain weapons elsewhere if not from us.

oh! That's ok then, I'll just turn a blind eye to that. We'll just pick and chose which discrimination and injustice offends us.

www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/17/uk-yemen-civil-war-arms-sales-saudi-arabia