To be devastated at the demise of the Labour Party, and to wonder how anyone can look at themselves in the mirror if they vote for Corbyn now?

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Just that really.

Been a Labour supporter all my life, til the last election. Because hell will freeze over before I will vote for Jeremy Corbyn.

I am literally devastated at the demise of the Labour party, that has been systematically destroyed from the inside out, by Corbyn and his cronies, and by Corbyn's pathetic behaviour. From his denial of bad behaviour from his party, to the way he shuts down anyone who challenges him. (Including reporters, and his own people ..... if they don't agree with everything he says, he sacks them.)

In the last election, for the first time ever in my life, I was unable to vote, because I am not voting for Conservatives. (Even so, if I HAD to vote by law, I would vote for Conservatives before I would vote for Labour.)

The Labour party is dying a slow and painful death, and is a laughing stock. First of all we have the standing joke that is Corbyn, with his bizarre 'extreme-left' bollocks, and refusing to answer any questions that don't suit him, .......'Mr Corbyn what about the antisemitism in in your party?' 'YES it is a nice day isn't it? Thank you, goodbye!' Fucking twit!

And then we have his ludicrous and laughable cronies... Diane 'can't count for toffee' Abbott, Monroe 'bigoted ranty' Bergdorf, and now Eddie fucking Izzard in a dress.

Even people I know who were obsessive Corbynites a year or so ago, are cringing with embarrassment now, as he turns the party into more of a laughing stock every day. And as I said in the thread title, how can anyone POSSIBLY support him and the Labour party now?

That's it really. I am literally so gutted at the demise of my party.

Until Corbyn fucks off and takes his cronies with him, Labour is dead to me. And I know a LOT of people who think the same!

R.I.P. The Labour Party. 😢😢😢

I would've voted Labour with Yvette Cooper as leader. I dislike Andy Burnham with a passion but if it were a choice between him and Corbyn, I would've voted Burnham.

It’s just all so incompetent.

This is a twitter thread YESTERDAY where a Labour MP defends a member who made anti Semitic twitter posts.

mobile.twitter.com/Daniel_Sugarman/status/980792072516055041

Apparently the plan is to forgive anti-semitism.

I thought Labour was better than this. I thought they were the party who stood up for the persecuted.

I can't think of many groups as persecuted as the Jews have been over centuries.

If this had been in any other party they would have been rightfully hung out to

Turning a blind eye has led to many a massacre in the past. It really pains me to see what's happening to the party. Shame on those who are choosing to ignore it all.

How does that poem go? First they came for...

Yes agree gussy

When there are posts that demonstrate that people believe all the crap fed to them about Corbyn, then, yes,...we have to point out what the Tories are doing, because it's bloody relevant and one of the reasons the Tories and supporters are doing their best to smear him.

And conversely when people routinely demonstrated that any criticism of Corbyn is met with "Fake News", "muh right wing media" and the tired daily mail reader it shows the state of political discussion, do not pretend that biased echo chamber coalition of news and "facts" is solely a right wind issue, you could replace Corbyn with Trump in many of the posts on here about media attacks and it would not seem out of place

Can you show where criticism of him is met with fake news please?

There is so much misinformation spread about this man, it’s unbelievable. The conservatives are bleeding this country dry, quietly privatising our healthcare and education systems and allowing our most vulnerable to perish in terrifying numbers. And all that the public can do is buy the lies and stories designed to divide and conquer the Labour Party, hook line and sinker.

I haven’t seen much meaningful discussion on which of Corbyn’s policies anyone actually disagrees with?

Dazed

In order to talk policies the party must first display that it is a grown up organisation able to responsibly take power. Writing this off as lies and stories is wilfully missing the point.

It’s rule 101 of politics - don’t become the story!

Photos of him shaking Adams' hand after the Brighton bomb are not fake. His support of that gross mural is not fake. His judgment is poor. It is irrelevant if he wants us all to have therapy kittens and trampolines. Or whatever crowd pleasing junk he peddles. It is his inability to exercise good judgement.

Can you show where criticism of him is met with fake news please?

Stop being obtuse, look through this thread, many calls of being swayed by right wing media, propaganda, or even saying its is some right wing troll.

You being blinkered does not excuse the faux innocence.

Does nobody else think it's quite insane, that a political party is tearing itself apart over a tiny country hundreds of miles away? I i the Israeli's or the Palestinian's give a shit what we think. The Labour Party needs to drop the obsession with it (along with the trans stuff). It's all a distraction

Ah,...the Labour party and all of us should turn a blind eye to how people are treated anywhere in the world? Well that simplifies things. 😒

Right.

So someone painted a batshit mural, Corbyn states it is antisemitic but doesn't call for its destruction....

For this, people are willing to give up the NHS, welfare state, have education asset stripped and the public sector sold off...

We really have got the government we deserve. Well, some people on this thread have.

It's hilarious, in a sick, tragic way.

Right now, yes!

For this, people are willing to give up the NHS, welfare state, have education asset stripped and the public sector sold off

Apparently so. 😕

Gottagetmoving

You can’t have it both ways - you are either a protest movement or a credible party of power

Neonyellowshoes

This isn’t just about the mural and you know it. The Labour Party contains a element that sees the world through an anti west and anti Israel lens. That is concerning

For this, people are willing to give up the NHS, welfare state, have education asset stripped and the public sector sold off...

Difficult to imagine how a party that can’t even check a complaint before endorsing a candidate can do anything to help the NHS.

Labour got us into the Iraq War.

Labour counted on the value of property rising.

Labour indebted huge numbers of schools, local authorities and hospital trusts with PPI deals.

Labour did nothing about letting local councils build more council housing without going through convoluted ALMOs and housing associations.

Labour showed themselves inept at finance and social equality.

We know what the Conservatives are doing.

We need a credible opposition.

The current Parliamentary Labour Party is not credible.

Its no good going on about if Yvette had won the leadership; she didn't do so because people wanted a change from the Blairite midground and lurched to the left. Jeremy was the left wing candidate. I honestly do not think that anyone closely associated with Tony Blair can become the Labour leader, that ship has sailed.

MPs have unsuccessfully tried to unseat JC and failed to do so. Those seen as traitors are sacked, look at Owen Smith who stood against him. There are rumours of another moderate on the way out and believe me John Woodcock will not last much longer. Have a look at the online clip of him challenging JC over Russia and look at Diane Abbott's face. The left are saying he is deeply unpopular in his constituency, but how he won I do not know in a working class town reliant on the Trident programme with JC as party leader. But he did albeit with a small majority.

Keir Starmer appeared competent but he is tarnished by his association with JC in the shadow cabinet. To remain there, he must agree with JC and his stance on issues raised here.

I have never seen such a mess in the Labour party and I am old enough to remember the seventies power cuts, constant strikes etc and Michael Foot.

Whatever anyone's feelings about the Labour party, it is absolutely vital that we have a competent and credible party in opposition. My feeling about Labour now is that it is a party of hatred and deep division.

You can’t have it both ways - you are either a protest movement or a credible party of power

You can be a party of power and stand up for people in other countries. Both main parties have done so for many years.

*dazed and confused also blinkered and blind to the catastrophe Corbyn presents.

With his utter inability to lead or hold the tories to account while his supporters worship his farts.

I haven’t seen much meaningful discussion on which of Corbyn’s policies anyone actually disagrees with?

Because you refuse to deal with it, many of his policies were ridiculed at the time and still met with such intelligent rhetoric of "stop reading the daily mail", if corbyn had any policies that he actually stook with apart from the vague populist approach of such gems as "help the poor" it might start winning people over.

So far, we have this supposed "principled not like other politicians" career politician saying all the right sound bites from opposition without giving the hard numbers to convert people to his side.

When the default argument to any criticism of corbyn and Labour policies is to blame "others" as not seeing the true light, then it could be because your so far involved you are not really as objective to facts and reason or have a true understanding of geopolitics that you accuse the voters you wish to win over of.

I haven’t RTFT because there is just too much ranting so I don’t know if I’ve missed itA but what’s wrong with Eddie Izzard anyway? He is a proper right thinking liberal voice. He’s done a load for charity, put his money where his mouth is for the Labour Party and now wants to change it from within. What’s wrong with that?

Elsie I agree with mostly everything you said but my personal view is Yvette wasn’t electable because of Tony Blaire it was because she’s a woman. But as you say that boat may well have sailed.

For this, people are willing to give up the NHS, welfare state, have education asset stripped and the public sector sold off...

People still using this whilst ignoring the past couple of decades shows up the political arguments in a nut shell, making soundbites that are an apparent mean to "shame" does not work. Most people understand the nuance in all of those debates, that's the problem... none of those things are ever going to be properly fixed until you stop treating it like a political football

Few comments to the points above;

The queen met Martin McGuinness. I guess this is fine but JC wanting to broker peace with Gerry Adams is wrong.

Corbyn is not new Labour. He opposed the Iraq war. The fact he is the antithesis of Blair and neo liberalism was part of his appeal in the first place.

Let’s not paint a picture of “the West” as some peace loving entity. The UK government sells arms to Saudi. Arms are sold to Turkey. A blind eye is turned to Israel