To be devastated at the demise of the Labour Party, and to wonder how anyone can look at themselves in the mirror if they vote for Corbyn now?

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Just that really.

Been a Labour supporter all my life, til the last election. Because hell will freeze over before I will vote for Jeremy Corbyn.

I am literally devastated at the demise of the Labour party, that has been systematically destroyed from the inside out, by Corbyn and his cronies, and by Corbyn's pathetic behaviour. From his denial of bad behaviour from his party, to the way he shuts down anyone who challenges him. (Including reporters, and his own people ..... if they don't agree with everything he says, he sacks them.)

In the last election, for the first time ever in my life, I was unable to vote, because I am not voting for Conservatives. (Even so, if I HAD to vote by law, I would vote for Conservatives before I would vote for Labour.)

The Labour party is dying a slow and painful death, and is a laughing stock. First of all we have the standing joke that is Corbyn, with his bizarre 'extreme-left' bollocks, and refusing to answer any questions that don't suit him, .......'Mr Corbyn what about the antisemitism in in your party?' 'YES it is a nice day isn't it? Thank you, goodbye!' Fucking twit!

And then we have his ludicrous and laughable cronies... Diane 'can't count for toffee' Abbott, Monroe 'bigoted ranty' Bergdorf, and now Eddie fucking Izzard in a dress.

Even people I know who were obsessive Corbynites a year or so ago, are cringing with embarrassment now, as he turns the party into more of a laughing stock every day. And as I said in the thread title, how can anyone POSSIBLY support him and the Labour party now?

That's it really. I am literally so gutted at the demise of my party.

Until Corbyn fucks off and takes his cronies with him, Labour is dead to me. And I know a LOT of people who think the same!

R.I.P. The Labour Party. 😢😢😢

Bertrand There must have been many people who had previously voted Tory who switched to Blair, but they didn't make much noise about it (well, social media wasn't around anyway so they couldn't). There are plenty of potential swing voters.

If you think Bergdorf and Izzard are Corbyn's cronies, you haven't been looking at the Labour Party too closely. So are you a Blairite or a Tory?

This is an interesting read explaining the roots of the anti-Semitism problem in the extreme left medium.com/@pauliewaulie/labour-antisemitism-and-the-problem-of-political-hobbyism-b0d3e536eba1

So are you a Blairite or a Tory?

or the 3rd option - a hard working long term party member who despairs at the misogyny and aggression currently experienced by many party members

joanna

Many names have been put forward including Yvette cooper, Hillary Benn, Andy Burnham.

yellowshoes typical response.

Corbyn isn’t labour. He really isn’t

Oh but he is. Maybe you are too young to remember what the Labour party was about and why it was needed.
Sadly, today, we are almost back in those times thanks to privatisation and personal greed, so yes, Corbyn IS Labour and that's why he has support from those suffering under this disgusting government.

ghosty

Me too

Too long.

My son will be up in twenty minutes and I have washing to sort.

Was hoping for concrete examples not academics.

Cheers tho

gottaget

I am 54!

And what you need to remember is to change things you have to appeal to the majority of the electorate or it really doesn’t matter what your views are. You can only get change through the ballot box.

In fact I was thinking exactly the same this morning as I read through some of the vile anti Semitic comments posted by Corbyn supporters on CIF claiming there is absolutely nothing wrong with that awful mural

Try reading this....

thegreatcritique.wordpress.com/2018/03/26/oh-all-right-lets-talk-about-that-mural-then/

I'm old enough to remember what a Labour Party Corbyn isn't making.
He is a fellow traveller/useful idiot that follows whatever looks trendy and anti-establishment. I am very old. I have seen Labour flirt with this kind of shit many times. And stay in opposition while they are doing it because not enough people in not enough constituencies are naive enough and stupid enough to fall for it.
The biggest gift to these ramshackle Tories is Jeremy Corbyn. The biggest gift to Leave was Jeremy Corbyn.
God help us all.

Yes agree gussy as Foot was to thatcher so Corbyn is to May.

And all the while the tories run wild.

Yep most of us still do care about other people including Jewish people and women Shame labour don’t seem to

Are you bloody serious? You think the Tories care about women?
You think Corbyn doesn't care about women or Jewish people?

You don't really know anything about Corbyn do you?

I'm old enough to know enough about Corbyn and his acolytes.

The Tories have had two female leaders and two female PM.

Labour.....not so much.

I'm so bored of left wing toerags trying to blame the Tories on my failure to love The Blessed Leader. Went through it in the 80s. Yawn. Same shit. Different decade.

Gottaget....I read that article, and it is full of the same apologist shite polluting the Guardian this morning.

If you cannot recognise the anti-sémitism in that mural then your education is sadly lacking. That is all. I don’t want to associate with anti-semites thanks, even on an anonymous forum.

Dear god this thread makes me weep.

There are issues with anti-sematism in the left. There are also many issues with xenophobia and Islamaphobia across the right. Let’s not forget the disgusting campaign run by Zac Goldsmith for London Mayor. Or Boris Johnson talking about “watermelon smiles”. Or the fact that we are RIGHT NOW withholding medical treatment to those people who have been here for 50 odd years because they can’t “prove” they came here from a british colony.

Labour may have issues but they offer real solutions and a serious alternative to the hard right austerity bull crap peddled by the Tories.

The two female PMs are hardly shining examples of feminism, let's be real about it.

Loving your work on this thread, OP. "Great debate..." I didn't realise shouting down anyone who disagrees with you was classed as great debate these days.

“The Tories have had two female leaders and two female PM”

I am most certainly not defending Labour misogyny. But two woman leaders does not mean that the Toiries are any better. The background to both of them getting into power is very enlightening.

That’s me convinced the Tories are the party of equality then lovely.

Gottag

Unfortunately I do that’s why I could never vote for any party he heads.

He can’t tackle racists or misogynists it’s all words. He’s a weak ineffectual perpetual protestor.

But clearly you don’t care about winning elections and actually getting into government. That’s the sad thing here.

So so many disabled poor working class people struggling and labour are majoring on trans issues. Fucking hell.

ghosty the OP may be devastated about the demise of Labour* but they're either stupid, disingenuous, a Blairite or a Tory to present Izzard as a Corbyn crony.
From the way the rest of the thread is going, I'm guessing disingenuous and a Blairite.

• I can relate to that. I felt the same with Blair and Iraq.

Try reading this....

You do realise the artist in question spoke to David Icke... I'm sure you would be so understanding and "nuanced" if this type of scenario was being played out with UKIP or Tory memebers?

Remember the "few bad apples" jokes about UKIP a couple of years ago, seems there are quite a few within Labour as well, the lovely Roy Smart "Jews did 9/11" is also one of many.

Its also quite ironic someone such as you posting previously about the bais of the press and then link to some blog post!! You couldn't make it up...