To be devastated at the demise of the Labour Party, and to wonder how anyone can look at themselves in the mirror if they vote for Corbyn now?

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Just that really.

Been a Labour supporter all my life, til the last election. Because hell will freeze over before I will vote for Jeremy Corbyn.

I am literally devastated at the demise of the Labour party, that has been systematically destroyed from the inside out, by Corbyn and his cronies, and by Corbyn's pathetic behaviour. From his denial of bad behaviour from his party, to the way he shuts down anyone who challenges him. (Including reporters, and his own people ..... if they don't agree with everything he says, he sacks them.)

In the last election, for the first time ever in my life, I was unable to vote, because I am not voting for Conservatives. (Even so, if I HAD to vote by law, I would vote for Conservatives before I would vote for Labour.)

The Labour party is dying a slow and painful death, and is a laughing stock. First of all we have the standing joke that is Corbyn, with his bizarre 'extreme-left' bollocks, and refusing to answer any questions that don't suit him, .......'Mr Corbyn what about the antisemitism in in your party?' 'YES it is a nice day isn't it? Thank you, goodbye!' Fucking twit!

And then we have his ludicrous and laughable cronies... Diane 'can't count for toffee' Abbott, Monroe 'bigoted ranty' Bergdorf, and now Eddie fucking Izzard in a dress.

Even people I know who were obsessive Corbynites a year or so ago, are cringing with embarrassment now, as he turns the party into more of a laughing stock every day. And as I said in the thread title, how can anyone POSSIBLY support him and the Labour party now?

That's it really. I am literally so gutted at the demise of my party.

Until Corbyn fucks off and takes his cronies with him, Labour is dead to me. And I know a LOT of people who think the same!

R.I.P. The Labour Party. 😢😢😢

But obviously tweetie is a Labour supporter, so it is to be expected.

This is the playground level of 'debate' that has become the norm. 8 year olds could do better.

Although Joanna57 is being goady, she isn’t not wrong. Tory Party HQ must have a shrine to Jez, he is doing so much damage to labour’s brand and their electoral chances.

I come from the opposite side of the fence. I would like to see a labour government win the next election. But I cannot deny that the chances of this are significantly reduced by JC’s leadership. I am angry about this.

Labour supporter here not Corbyn supporter.

Corbyn isn’t labour. He really isn’t.

She isn’t wrong I meant to say! Bizarre double negative above!

I completely agree, OP.

I'm a lifelong Labour voter, but never again under this shower of shit.

It's now just a nasty, macho, shambolic laughing stock.

Corbyn, McDonell, Momentum and Madigan etc. and that prick Owen Jones.

Destroyed.

Perhaps the time has come to create a new and separate labour movement...I think that might be the only way to reclaim the party from Momentum and have a realistic prospect for a labour government?

Conservatives look hopeless too.

Seeing Gavin Williamson with General Mattis of the US: I felt shame for British politics in its entirety. It's everyone's problem Joanna.

And JRM seems a bit frit to be frank.

So opinions, especially opposite opinions, are now deemed as 'goady'.

Ok.

As you were then.

JC is the front face of Labour. To millions of minions that means he IS Labour.

May I ask.....WHO do most Labourites think would be able to run the Labour party as a decent opposition to the Tories?

I'm quite liking Jacob Rees-Mogg as a contender (impossible I know, at the moment) for the Tory leadership for the future.

Over to you.....

I’m furious with people who imply a little antisemitism is a price worth paying to achieve Corbyn’s socialist society

It's terrible the choices people are having to make in this divided society at the moment. My choice is, as a disabled person, to continue to live in fear every. single. day under this Tory government or to 'imply a little anti-Semitism is a price worth paying' in PoorYorick's words, and vote Labour in hope of something better for the poor and sick. Terrible.

And I can't emphasise the fear enough. If I were to lose the tenancy on my flat (and rents are rising so fast I soon won't be able to keep up) I would be homeless as a disabled person. There is no social housing where I am, next to no private landlords accept 'DSS' and the best I could hope for is being shipped out of the community I have lived in for over a decade, away from my support network and NHS treatment team and into B&B somewhere unfamiliar which would do untold harm to my condition.

I have also yet to be changed from DLA to PIP and universal credit. I feel sick when I think about it as this government literally has my life in its hands.

It is no exaggeration to say that if the worse came to the worse and I lost everything that just about makes my life bearable I have considered that I would then take my own life.

People like Joanna clearly have no idea about the realities facing many people under the Tories and I despair that there is no strong party to stand up for the most vulnerable in society.

I don’t know whizz I think it will take another election and labour imploding to shift Jeremy.

The issue is he and his supporters actually don’t want to win or care about winning elections. They prefer whinging opposition and ridiculous protest issues.

Anything sensible like tackling racism and mysogyny is boring to them. As you can see from tweeties posts

joanna

Read the thread and come back. We have all said who we would prefer.

Any half competent opposition would have butchered the tories by now ..Labour must be thanking the ghost of Stalin (Seamus Milne is a big fan) that they lost the election and can concentrate on idealogical purity rather than the messy business of having to make real decisions in a difficult world.

chirpy

Sorry about your dilemma , but that is not JUST the Tories fault at all.

I well remember what Labour did to benefits/NHS as well.

Mydog

Nope, I have read the thread and can see no majority name standing out.

Can somebody explain to me, what labour has done/said that is anti Semitic?

Everybody keeps saying they are but nobody dares to say why?

Genuine question.

Another one who quite likes Corbyn and is still voting Labour.

joanna

Many names have been put forward including Yvette cooper, Hillary Benn, Andy Burnham.

yellowshoes typical response.

Yellowshoes...have you had your head buried in the sand? You clearly have access to the internet, so use it! You are being either deliberately obtuse or just plain ignorant.

I agree. I want a credible, decent opposition to the Tories. Labour seems determined to
Make itself unelectable. When a labour rep knocked on my door I stated I couldn’t vote for them for several reasons and was appalled by their tolerance of the anti Semitic element in the party. The guy said he was sorry I felt that way and that there wasn’t any anti Semitism. That was a few years ago and I feel he has been proved very wrong there. Im Jewish so the latest revelations and handling thereof, is a deal breaker for me when it comes to voting. Which makes me angry and frustrated.

Corbyn’s would not be my choice for leader. But I will continue to vote Labour because we live in a parliamentary democracy, not a presidency.

I cannot begin to imagine a Tory voter ever saying “I don’t like our current leader, so I will vote Labour” This sort of suicidal tendency seems to be an exclusively left of center mindset.

I am a Tory voter so am happy with the current labour trajectory.

That said I do slightly agree with you in that I don’t think the party is inherently anti Semitic - rather the leaderships pro Palestinian stance tends to bring out the loons and weirdos who also tend to be anti capitalist and anti Britain. Labour have shown they can harness that sort of support but can’t control it. Hence the last weeks papers!

That was a serious question!

“I am a Tory voter so am happy with the current labour trajectory”

Quite.

I don’t understand how any woman can. It’s labour with the anti woman bullshit that is coming from there.

The whole lot of them, both parties, need sending to exile. Arseholes

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Not everyone has the time to ferret through the reams of stuff. This person resigned, that person resigned... there's a mural...

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