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mammyoftwo · 30/03/2018 11:24

Following on from Instamums 3.2

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Gobbolinothewitchscat · 30/03/2018 19:21

No. social services are not automatically involved with any parent not safeguarding their child. There has to be a report made to them. Social services do not automatically monitor all children.

It is a statement of fact as it has already been identified that the home addresses/schools etc of a number of instagram children are easily identifiable along with their full names. That is not appropriate safeguarding and is contrary to the internet safety advice given to children at school. No doubt by more jealous haters. Or maybe just teachers with children's best interests at heart Hmm

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ChocolateTea · 30/03/2018 19:22

You know what, I just went on MODs page for the first time in a few days, completely fresh eyed.

Her latest post is #AD in capital letters

Her holiday posts I think are good, considering she's said it's rained a lot. Cocktails, swimming, luxury resorts

Honestly? She doesn't feature the kids a huge amount. Her account is not about the children. Scroll through the last few weeks, and there's not a huge amount. I wonder if there is going to be a shift back to how her account used to be.

FOD has one post without the twins recently, with the "shrunk" jumper. He has no Instagram without the girls. The problem is I'm guessing he now has contractual obligations with them.

Regarding the money, I cannot imagine MOD or FOD not having heavily inputted savings accounts for those girls. I should imagine none of them will have to worry about university fees or first cars right now.

Gobbolinothewitchscat · 30/03/2018 19:24

I would have thought with insta it would be very difficult in many posts to say who is earning the money. It's the parent taking the photos, putting the work in to stage the shots, they are often in the shot with the child.

Arguably there wouldn't be any work to do if the children were not there as the subjects. Then you just quantify and deduct what a photographer etc would be paid etc. If you manage and coach your child who is an eg tennis player, you can't just pocket all of their earnings on the basis that they wouldn't have been one in the first place without you so you are entitled to 100%

Mumofkids · 30/03/2018 19:26

@fruitbowl2 🤣
@cadyheron I'm quite happy to discuss with yourself. I've been unclear what some of your points are as you seem to have avoided the fact certain instaparents have divulged far more than would be considered safe on their feeds, but above you seem to be saying you find that to be inappropriate so I don't think we disagree in that sense.
@sofialemon the children on insta are not being sold, that's inflammatory and ridiculous 🤣🤣🤣 of course. Those twins are being sold every bloody day. They make that family a packet. 95% of FOD's feed is twins. Where would he be without them? He has literally had them 2 years and look at what's going on, that is ridiculous. Their choice, yes, but ridiculous.

IsThisAWindUp · 30/03/2018 19:29

I don’t think MOD features the girls a lot. It was obvious it was required for the Disney deal to tie in with the “family holiday” theme but it didn’t really bother me. She’s also now clear about ads. She gets way more flak than she deserves compared to other bloggers. I think she didn’t disclose some gifted stuff on the holiday but overall she’s WAY more transparent than a lot of other bloggers. FOD is twins twins twins. If he did more DIY stuff I’d actually be more interested (ha ha showing my age!). Now DLAM has just arrived at a luxury holiday in Cornwall. Is it a freebie or not? Why tag the hotel if it’s not?

RunMummyRun68 · 30/03/2018 19:34

Is MOD staying in an apartment or is it a hotel? Is it all meals included?

Free WiFi?
Long way from the airport?
Local history?
Friendly staff?
Crèche or kids club?
Much for kids?
Indoor pool?
Evening entertainment?
Disabled friendly?
Local food/drink?
Sports facilities?

Just a few things I'd like to know to pique my interest? Anyone else? She could have done such a great job with this

PavlovaPrincess · 30/03/2018 19:35

Is it a freebie or not? Why tag the hotel if it’s not

If it's a freebie, it should be declared (but this is DLAM, who doesn't let things like that bother her).

If it's not a freebie, it's possible it could be a blag and she's after some of kind of freebie or upgrade by letting the hotel know who she is and what her account is like.

nipersvest · 30/03/2018 19:36

@splatpancake yes it's all kicking off in Ireland, that and the vlogging/instastory posts whilst driving.

CadyHeron · 30/03/2018 19:36

I would have thought with insta it would be very difficult in many posts to say who is earning the money. It's the parent taking the photos, putting the work in to stage the shots, they are often in the shot with the child

Exactly, it's a bit of a grey area, isn't it? If you were to earn money IG'ing, your family being your USP/niche, then the kids could be seen as part of your "brand."
It would be the Ig'er/blogger/youtuber doing any uploading of content, editing etc. So they would technically be doing the work.
The family could be just really be seen to be having their photo taken.

Mumofkids · 30/03/2018 19:37

@chocolatetea I completely agree. MOD's page is far less kids. And always has been. The holiday, well who knows if this recent #ad uproar has changed her recent holiday promotion or if it's because FOD is not there. The last destinology holiday had kids everywhere as did Disney. It feels like a shift. And personally I'd respect her for that (not that my opinion matters a hoot) but she can do what she wants, the holiday is listed an ad.
It would be interesting to know for the brands whether the influencers have more power if their product is marked as an ad or if it just looks like a holiday or product they've purchased?! Maybe brands have been encouraging the hidden business between them...
It's still a truth that photos of the twins on her feed get quadruple the likes of some of just her. So it must be hard if likes are your game.
FOD did a post without them which got a third of the likes that the twins generally get.
He has appeared this evening but no faces and in the buggy.
As a general rule I don't really care what these people do with their lives but I do genuinely feel uncomfortable that the use of children is not monitored at all and they are used to make money.

nipersvest · 30/03/2018 19:38

with DLAM its prudent to assume its all freebies Grin

CadyHeron · 30/03/2018 19:41

Just a few things I'd like to know to pique my interest? Anyone else? She could have done such a great job with this

There's only so much you can put on an Instagram picture. She's not going to go into a big spiel about the wifi, if it's close to the airport etc on her IG feed,is she? That kind of in depth is more for a blog post.
I don't know about anyone else, but for me Instagram is all about the scrolling through the pretty pictures.
Would anyone actually read a spiel about the wifi connection, evening entertainment, etc? Or just scroll past it all?
Instagram's about the pictures.

RunMummyRun68 · 30/03/2018 19:45

Well no

In this case it's not about scrolling through 'pretty pictures' so much.....she's hired to promote and sell a product

Not have us all just sit here scrolling saying 'ah how pretty' and not do anything further!

cady my list was not exhaustive, just a few examples of what makes a holiday really..... well for me anyway. I work 5 days a week in a physical job at not far off minimum wage I guess

Some things matter to people. Like decent WiFi!

IsThisAWindUp · 30/03/2018 19:46

I think I’d like to have seen some more pictures of the resort itself. Pictures of a bag on a beach could be anywhere really. Not sure whether that counted as 1 of the 8 pictures though. The captions have been fine, all she needs to do is entice you to click onto the holiday company website to find out about WiFi etc doesn’t she? So I agree it’s all about the photos in that regard and enough info of where to click to. I thought the Disney pictures and captions were great actually.

Gobbolinothewitchscat · 30/03/2018 19:47

I'd rather watch a story about the food and the wifi than someone standing with no knickers on, on a balcony over other guests having morning coffee underneath to be honest. I would find that more useful as a potential guest

Sofialemon · 30/03/2018 19:48

Mumofkids. Yes FOD's insta is mostly pics of the twins but it's not as if many of the pics are ads (if they are they're so subtle I really can't tell). His insta actually looks very similar to mine which is mostly pics of my kids and the odd night out or holiday pic. The difference I suppose is the insta fame of his wife and popularity of their kids has got him a book deal. Good for him.

InternetSchminternet · 30/03/2018 19:52

I seem to recall MOD saying on one of her stories that the WiFi wasn't great! I could have been mistaken though

CadyHeron · 30/03/2018 19:54

In this case it's not about scrolling through 'pretty pictures' so much.....she's hired to promote and sell a product

Which she has been doing,via pictures. On the beach, in the sea, drinking cocktails etc.
She's been selling the product in a way suitable for the social media platform given - pictures via Instagram.

Some things matter to people. Like decent WiFi!
Does to me too, I need wifi, don't think I could function without Grin
In that case though, you just click on the website of the resort and it'll tell you there.

ChocolateTea · 30/03/2018 19:54

@sofialemon the difference is very much the number of followers. If you have that number of followers, who know that many details about your children, that you don't know, you are putting them at risk. Right now that risk is smaller, as the children don't go anywhere unassisted, but as the older ones become teenagers it could become a larger risk. I know I would not feel comfortable with thousands of strangers knowing my children's full names, schools, home area, hobbies, which is part due to my child protection training. And also the reason why my children don't feature in my (public) Instagram feed, and I only have close friends on my FB feed where my children feature.

RunMummyRun68 · 30/03/2018 19:59

OMG yuk

Can not believe that on MOD instastories

Deliberately standing above a couple on a balcony with wooden slats in a dress/gown/kaftan..... with no knickers or anything onSad

I actually feel sad for her. Was that one of the 8 agreed photos?

PavlovaPrincess · 30/03/2018 20:00

Good job she did #fannyadmin before she went away, eh?

IsThisAWindUp · 30/03/2018 20:03

Who said influencing doesn’t work?

amp.theguardian.com/fashion/2018/mar/30/the-it-dress-promote-brand-social-media-influencers-marketing

Sofialemon · 30/03/2018 20:05

I really don't see how the kids featured on insta are at any more risk than other kids of anyone else in the public eye.

Celeb offspring are regularly featured in glossy mags and tv shows from birth. It is often common knowledge where many of these celebs live. Not many of these celebs have constant security the way for example Tamara Ecclestone does so in theory these children are at risk.

CadyHeron · 30/03/2018 20:06

Was that one of the 8 agreed photos?

I'm sure she can post other photos as well that aren't part of an agreed 8.
If you don't like them, you don't have to follow?