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AIBU to think that MN are letting us down?

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MsHarry · 29/03/2018 13:35

I have really enjoyed MN in the past, both for advice and sometimes for a laugh or a debate. I don't use other social media and feel I can express myself more freely amongst mostly other women and within the relative anonymity that a username provides. However in recent months i have seen thread after thread appear in the Daily Fail and now The Mirror and a live conversation on ITV's Loose Women!! Some of the subject matter is sensitive and could give OPs away. I know it's a public forum but sharing on here is not the same as publishing in a newspaper or an interview on TV . AIBU to expect a forum like MN, that used to feel pro women, to do more about this?

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Keilninnock · 30/03/2018 10:11

I mean, if comments were from Moderator#4325 rather than "mumsytarquinsmummy@mumsnet" , posters would be less likely to trust them as being lovely ladies who run the forum for their friends. Perception is everything and you are nothing more than victims of clever marketing to fall for it. It doesnt make it an irrisponsible business, or any better or worse than any other business, but that's what it is.

GnotherGnu · 30/03/2018 10:49

But are MN doing enough. They have effectively said they can't really bothered to challenge the DM!

No, they've said, correctly, that if they tried to challenge they would lose because the "fair use" defence would succeed. Not their fault.

outabout · 30/03/2018 11:24

Google are responsible for the software on all Android phones and will be collecting data from them. They already have pictures of your house, road, car etc and aerial views of your garden. Although the images they 'release' if you look on Google earth have car number plates 'fuzzed out' and people are absent, they have the data WITH that information but are obliged to not show it.
On 'Iphones', well, Apple have your data.
What they chose to do with it is a massive issue, but it's all there somewhere.
The legal 'niceties' of a newspaper ripping data from MN is nothing compared to the state sponsored data collection.

Mumto2two · 30/03/2018 11:37

Does it really matter?? Journalists, whatever their area of interest, will report whatever see they see as current or of likely topical interest, on whatever forum they happen to air. I'm certainly not in the least bit concerned by that. If I felt I had a story or post I wished to air, that was so personally identifiable as 'me', then I simply wouldn't post it at all.

ghostyslovesheets · 30/03/2018 11:46

Yes it is odd - the OP just doesn't seem to want or be able to grasp facts

maybe they just wanted a rant - rather than an discussion

the good old:

OP - AIBU

MN - YES

OP - OMG you are all mad, vipers, idiots, I am right and you are all wrong and I'll keep saying it until you all agree with me!

Onecutefox · 30/03/2018 11:57

No-one forbids DM and similar to create topics on Mumsnet.

perfectstorm · 30/03/2018 15:11

AIBU to expect a forum like MN, that used to feel pro women, to do more about this?

There is a grand total of fuck all and zero that MN can do about this.

No-one forbids DM and similar to create topics on Mumsnet.

That's because they can't. I mean, they could make like Canute and wail into the wind, but it wouldn't achieve anything.

It's a public forum and there's a fair use exception in copyright law. They cannot stop the media doing this. It's wholly outside their control.

The Mail even started a This Week On Mumsnet feature once, and not only did they not pay MNHQ, they didn't even TELL them about it. Carrie was on holiday at the time. She came back to find MN had exploded and everyone was blaming the founders for selling them out to the Mail, when they'd not even known it was happening. That, they could stop, because of the intrusion into their copyright. The occasional story? No, they can't. It's a mistaken understanding of the laws of copyright to think that they can. As long as all that's being lifted are selected snippets to support their overall report on the story, then they're not breaking the law. I mean, think about it: if you review a TV show negatively, and quote from it to prove it's shite, can they sue you for those quotes? Nope, because that's Fair Use.

The reality is that the internet isn't private, and is indelible. If the Cambridge Analytica mess hasn't taught us that, I really don't know what will. Expecting MNHQ to operate as some sort of online mummy, shielding us from brutal online consequence, is unrealistic. They don't have the power to do that.

perfectstorm · 30/03/2018 15:12

they could make like Canute and wail into the wind should be they could make like Canute, and then wail into the wind, because I am aware that tides are not airbourne.

Onecutefox · 30/03/2018 21:44

Regarding DM, I meant they can create "interesting" threads and publish them like it comes from MN.

LipstickHandbagCoffee · 30/03/2018 21:48

You need to be savvy and think about what you post on a public forum
Mn isn’t a cosy chat with mates it’s a public forum,twitter,online,dm,out there
You and solely you have a responsibility. When you join mn you agree to T&C

Jux · 31/03/2018 15:54

Onecutefox, maybe they can't though 😉

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