To think that’s it’s cheeky as fuck to expect other people to fund your skin removal surgery?

[Lactofreechummy]

My friend had gastric bypass surgery last year after really struggling with her weight since childhood.

She has done amazingly well and lost over 11 stones.

Yesterday, I had a notification pop up on facebook.

My friend has set up a page where people can donate money to help fund her skin removal surgery. The target is set at £6,500.

As someone who has also lost a considerable amount of weight (5.5 stones) and also has some extra skin etc, I find it ludicrous to even think of asking for other’s to fund it. I have told my friend this and she said that she couldn’t think of any other way to raise funds quickly enough.

I believe the obesity epidemic is primarily related to the increase in processed foods. In societies where you see a lot less processed foods you see a lot less obese people - regardless as to portion size, fat contents etc.

Asia is starting to experience an obesity epidemic in children for the first time. This coincides with the massive increase in fast food and processed foods in Asia. When I moved here there was no such thing as a ready meal in the supermarket. Now their are tonnes.

I sincerely believe if you cook as much from scratch or eat as much 'unprocessed' foods as possible and combine this with a moderate exercise programme then you will lose weight. It doesn't have to be complicated. Cooking from scratch can be as easy as steaming a pile of veg (no harder than taking something out of a packet and putting it in the oven).

'@HelenaDove'

You have completely misunderstood the argument. Raising money (by whatever means) to help others in clear need is called charity. It has been around for a long time.

Raising money for yourself to get something you would like (but not necessarily 'need') is not called charity. This is the increasingly common practice that I object to. That is the key difference.

In my experience the people who tirelessly and selflessly strive to raise money to help others in need are often the last people to seek help for themselves.

" combine this with a moderate exercise programme then you will lose weight"

True Ive done it......................thing is its not quite what this thread is about. Its about people who HAVE lost the weight been left with loose skin as a result (in one case there is risk of a life threatening infection) and yet people think they should still be punished for it. Its sadistic.

I haven't suggested anyone is punished for anything - discussions have a tendency of expanding.

'I sincerely believe if you cook as much from scratch or eat as much 'unprocessed' foods as possible and combine this with a moderate exercise programme then you will lose weight. It doesn't have to be complicated. Cooking from scratch can be as easy as steaming a pile of veg (no harder than taking something out of a packet and putting it in the oven).'

Oh, please! If you eat too much, you gain weight, it doesn't matter what it is or how, of if it's bloody cooked.

I agree! But you can eat a hell of a lot more decent unprocessed food, unrefined and unsaturated fats and not pile it on than you can the processed stuff full of refined sugars and palm oil. I am no angel and eat my share of crap.

As a PP said some people can and do lose weight . But I have come to realise for some it’s very very hard and the flippant ‘eat less move more’ comments don’t help

Actually in an ideal world the NHS should fund it . But we don’t live in an ideal world

The free prescriptions and costs are a mess and need an overhaul . I earn OK money I don’t mind paying for the rare drugs my kids need . I would rather spend £3O a year and have others do the same and then have more money for issues like this

I remember a programme which focussed on why some people couldn't lose weight despite what they thought was their best efforts - most were unconsciously snacking but there was one woman who didn't snack, cooked from scratch, was all wonderful healthy food but the portions were just too much, consistently. Not even obviously huge portions, but enough to have an incremental effect all the time.

Not that I am arguing at all for eating rubbish or against nutritious properly prepared food but even the good stuff has overall limits. Gentle, gradual reduction in most portion sizes is most likely to have a long term, sustainable effect. My personal view is that the increase in obesity over past decades has been in both the availability and acceptance of snacking foods and the change in what is viewed as a portion -I blame the 1980s fashion for huge plates as a start on the slippery slope. Meant to be a showcase for a small but perfect item of haut cuisine, now people fill them up in the same way as old style dinner plates but they hold at least 50% more. When clearing out my mother's home, there were the remains of some 60s and 70s dinner services and the main dinner plates looked like slightly large sude plates. That, and the importation of the American supersize fake 'value' culture- size up a bit for a small amount more p, even if it is not necessary.

It's nothing to do with continuing to shame a person who has managed to lose weight.
Yes, people lose the weight and well done, But they got themselves into that state so why should the NHS pick up the pieces afterwards? We can't afford it when essentials are being denied due to funding cuts.

If someone let's themself get that big, then the consequences should be all their responsibility.

Surely, once you reach 180 lbs or 200 lbs, you would seek help. To just keep going up to 300 lbs or over is unthinkable to me. There is plenty of help around for weight loss, so there is no need for anyone to be in the state that they'd require skin loss surgery.
If that happens, save up and pay for it. If people want to donate then that's their personal choice, but it doesn't help with the "it's not my fault" attitude.

Avasarala
But they got themselves into that state so why should the NHS pick up the pieces afterwards?

That's not a humane response. And besides, how much of the NHS's workload relates to conditions that are caused or affected by lifestyle factors? I'm guessing at least 50% (probably a very conservative estimate).

@fascicle

Read my pp. I feel the same about (and not limited to) drunk drivers, people who gave themselves diabetes, smokers, alcoholics wanting new livers, drunks who end up at A&E. They should pay for their treatment.

Some things are unavoidable or not clear cut but it is very clear and universally understood that if you eat to excess and don't exercise, then you get big. Can't go around saying you didn't know or didn't understand and expect everyone else to pay.

Essentials are being denied due to funding cuts and there is plenty of help around for weight loss. You have contradicted yourself there.

180pounds = 12 stone 13 pounds. At my surgery if you went there for help at that weight you would be laughed out of the place.

I suspect you meant Slimming World or Weight Watchers though.

Slimming World or Weight Watchers though

Both of which just encourage people to eat loads, just pasta instead of bread. Neither programmes do anything to address the reasons behind why someone is overeating.

Pipe i completely agree I went to SW but took the more sensible bits of it and ignored the rest.

Im childfree by choice and dont object to couples having a round of IVF on the NHS.

Because im not inhumane.

HelenaDove yep! I went once and it was all ‘look how much you can eat! Make sure you eat all of your syns! Don’t forget pasta and potatoes are unlimited!’

That’s not helping, that’s encouraging people to keep binging but on different foods.

I actually cant eat portions like that any more. i havent had a big plate of pasta for years.

DH and i were having a small roast every Sunday but ive had to stop now as even with a small amount it was making me feel bloated.

Well I wouldn't crowdfund for my own operation, but to be honest I would give if a friend needed the surgery. It would t be a great deal of money, but it would be something toward it. Loose skin can be awful. I used to offer spray tans, there was a lady I tanned who had lost a similar amount of weight. The poor ladies body was an absolute mess. She was like an empty bag with golf balls in. I know she had the skin removed and she looks great, but she had such poor confidence sfter losing weight she couldn't get naked in front of her fiancée. She said she preferred being fat. Atleast it didn't sag and hang. I wouldn't want to leave my friend feeling that way if they couldn't afford the operation themselves.

I wouldn't donate. She chose to get fat, she can save up for the op. I wouldn't get people to crowdfund my holiday or boob job.

Sally hasnt posted again. Hardly surprising really I hope she is OK

NameChangr678 if you really believed that then you wouldn't have changed your name to avoid the shame of people knowing how judgemental and selfish you are.

There would be a hell of a lot of swift name changes if (God forbid) Sally got seriously ill because of the skin problem.

There are a lot of two faced fuckers on here.

Hi all,

We're taking this thread down, as it's potentially identifying for the individual in question.

SophieLMumsnet

There are no where near enough details on here to out the person in the OP.

Leave this thread up, it just highlights the disgusting and ignorant comments people make about fat people on a day to day basis.

there are about a zillion people crowd funding for loose skin surgery, not identifiable at all