To think Mumsnet is OBSESSED

[AccidentalKylie]

I used to read Mumsnet because it was a lot of clever, funny women talking about stuff I was interested in, but it's become a one issue forum. It's exhausting.

This post has been hidden until the MNHQ team can have a look at it.

Is anyone else tempted to just start posting this on random threads and make people wonder what you did?

dekfiji 🤣

Crikey, that took a while to catch up on.

for the night watch, looks like it was a full moon last night.

OP you do know MN is just like people having a conversation IRL.. who are talking about stuff that interests them?
Do you normally go up to people who are talking and say ‘YOU CAN ONLY TALK ABOUT MY STUFF’?

I can’t even be bothered to read 22 pages of potential drivel.

When did people loose the ability to discern by just looking at the title and think, oh nope that’s not going to interest me and just scroll on by? Seriously I’m interested, when did this happen? Should we all be talking about the price price difference between asda and Waitrose, or cake baking all the time?

Glad to see we are still here. It is very important that people with an agenda trying to shut down debate are seen for what they are. Far too easy to shout about bigots and feeling bullied when you don't like the debate.

please leave this thread to stand, shows the mindset and technique employed in trying to silence women

The same mindset has characterised a lot of the debates I've heard in the media this week. It promotes the idea that anyone who questions any part of transactivism is guilty of victimising and trying to silence vulnerable people.

It's a shocking piece of doublethink and has worked well in certain areas, Mumsnet hopefully never being one of them.
Anyone who isn't interested is free to ignore it - someone upthread likened it to browsing through a newspaper.

And everyone posting pictures of their (supposedly) cute ickle kitties. Pah. I'm exhausted looking at them. Anyway, mine is cuter than them all. So there

Piccy?

Just caught up with the thread. Shame the posts are hidden, sometimes it's better just to let people see the vitriol for themselves.

I've seen these tactics used on other forums. It didn't work so well on here because posting traffic is quick on an active thread but it can really close down a slow moving thread.
Anyway, thanks, OP. . I think I'm going to sign that petition now. I wasn't really bothered initially, but attempts to police discussion do bother me.

Nah. There wasn't even "vitriol" in the hidden posts. Just shouts of "stop bullying me" and other such white noise.

This is an incredibly important issue, up there with women’s suffrage, perhaps even more so. I’m sure there were women around in Pankhurt’s time who thought the issue ’boring’ too and more fool them. The suffragettes weren’t on the wrong side of history and neither are we. Time will tell. Maybe people will remember Amy Desir in years to come. I hope so.

And to MNHQ, thank you for allowing this discussion to take place when so many don't have the courage. I joined MN last year, primarily because I was concerned about this issue myself and pretty much the only critical debate of it on the net always brought me here.

There's no push for surgery for under 18s. It would be unethical but also - in terms of their development - impossible.

Don't let Mermaids hear you say that. They will send the police round to you for transphobic abuse.

It is, however, deeply transphobic to decide that you never want to date any transgender person ever

Again - homophobic. You’re saying that a lesbian has no right to say ‘I do not want to sleep with anyone who has a penis.’ That’s erasing the core of the lesbian identity.

We all pick on BOTH an individual level and a group/class level. I’m a straight woman. I only want to have men as a class as sexual partners. That’s my right. Then within that class I will be very picky too.

By saying that people have no right to make a judgement on sexual partners on group/class grounds as well as individual grounds you’re effectively denying the sexual autonomy of women.

And it is only women, because magically men are never pressured to sleep with anyone with a penis.

Anyway, thanks, OP. flowers. I think I'm going to sign that petition now. I wasn't really bothered initially, but attempts to police discussion do bother me

This bothers me too. I get fed up of the plopping, sealioning and derailing from short time posters trying to silence people who they do not agree with, apart from the attacks on MNHQ.

At the moment, Twitter is suddenly banning perfectly reasonable posters because Activists are having a reporting campaign. The same thing happened to meetings, even the one in the House of Commons - the staff there had never had so many calls trying to get a meeting banned

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/214118

Nope Kylie the head of Mermaids took her 16 year old abroad for SRS. You pointing out that this is unethical is exactly what gets you a visit from the police.

It is, however, deeply transphobic to decide that you never want to date any transgender person ever

So why is it ok for gay men to say they never want to have sex with a woman? Or for straight men to say they don’t want to have sex with a man?

We’re allowed to not be attracted to groups of people.

Seriously. If you don't like a folder / topic, don't access it. It's like hitting yourself in the head and then complaining that you have a headache.

Really. It's basic self-control.

And yes. YABU.

YES Hypermice, above. And Thisisthefirststep.
Here is the wonderful Magdalen Berns on the issue.

And here

Petition link...

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/214118

:)

I am also grateful for all the wise and clever women (and transwomen) who are explaining and debating the issue of self id, legislation and AWS.
Cannot understand how some of you find this boring or transphobic or ignorant ‘wrong side of history’.
Perhaps try reading a few of those threads you find such a bore and maybe you will understand why so many of us are worried about this.