To hope Ant

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Gets the help he needs and gets his life back on track. Glad no one was hurt in the incident and hope to see him back on the TV with Dec as soon as he’s better. To not sneer and be gleeful at the implosion of another human being or so glad that a ‘national treasure’ has shown himself to be fragile.

He needs the same force as the law as anybody else caught drunk driving. I have zero sympathy.

Oyo

No he had the whole day off before to sleep and he choose not to.

So you are wrong.

I started this thread in no way to excuse his behaviour.

He will face justice just as the driver who quite calmly got into a coach full of children to drive for hours knowing full well he hadn’t slept!

In my dds accident there actually were fatalities and life changing injuries so I have first hand experience of someone’s choice having terrible concequences.

It’s was sad then and it’s sad now.

Sad for the girls, the person who died and those who have life changing injuries.

However no one was gleeful or saying ‘fuck you’ to the perpetrator. It’s not a healthy way to think and behave.

I think the tone of some posts on this thread and the other one is actually quite vile.

Remember those writing posts like they don’t care about addiction or mental illness probably wouldn’t say that in RL even while everyone would condem the actions he took.

And yet nobody has actually been able to post a link to all these so-called gleeful messages 🤔

The only everyday crime that people on this thread are likely to have committed that is comparable is DRIVING WHILE USING A PHONE.

If you choose to use a phone while driving you are every bit as much of an arrogant fuckwit as Ant has showed himself to be by choosing to get behind the wheel while over the limit.

ian

Read the other thread please

Why was his mum with him? I wouldn’t get in a car with anyone who’s been drinking, far less my own kid

morphene

You actually seriously think no mumsnetter has ever had speeding fine??? Or been accused of careless driving?

Don’t be ridiculous

Some papers are now reporting it was his third crash in three weeks - another one of them being when he backed his Range Rover into a tree - that's not a sign of someone in a good place or someone who's fit to be on the roads with the public.

But why wouldn't that make you think: perhaps i should get a cab this time?

Theresa - YOU'RE flinging around accusations. YOU cite what you're referring to. Otherwise it's just more virtue signalling hot air from you.

If he was over the limit from the night before his mum would not have known.

Jesus yes I bet she totally realised he was blind drunk ffs

ian

My post was posted in response to the other thread which has many gleeful posts. Have you read it?

I'm asking you what you consider to be a gleeful post, Op.

If you're going to accuse posters of something, prove it.

Plus there's several other threads on this topic.

Speeding isn't as dangerous as either using a phone while driving or drunk driving.

I think lots of people on this thread are guilty of very careless driving by means of using a phone.

I don't know how you can possibly have taken my message to mean that no one on this thread is guilty when it says the opposite.

Oh and if virtue signalling is completely condemning the action while still sympathising and wishing well a human being who is clearly imploding then that’s fine with me.

Slightly changing the subject. But can anyone explain to me why drink driving isn’t treated as attempted murder? And if you do kill someone why it isn’t a murder charge. I appreciate the intent to kill might not be there. But it’s basically firing a loaded gun into a room of people isn’t it... mental health issue or no mental health issue

Genuinely asking (and showing my ignorance of law).

speeding isn’t as dangerous as using a mobile phone or drink driving

Utterly ridiculous statement. all these behaviours can kill and all do.

I equate someone recklessly speeding as just as dangerous as drink driving or using s mobile.

Many many on these threads will have done 2 of those but they wouldn’t confess to the third as quite rightly it’s widely condemned.

There’s a shed load of hypocrscy on these threads

And yet still no proof of how "gleeful" everyone else is.... blah blah.

Morphene - do you really think that? Gosh, that's depressing if it's true. Although look at david wagstaff (tragic M1 lorry crash over August bank holiday) - he was on handsfree and was still so distracted that he didn't see the minibus in front of him

Ploppy - I'm no criminal lawyer, but I think you've answered your own question in that the requisite intention would be missing. You couldn't prove beyond reasonable doubt that someone meant to kill by drink driving and so the case would fail.

However, I don't see why the penalty shouldn't be the same. Drink driving is never ever ever ok.

Speeding isn't as dangerous as either using a phone while driving or drunk driving.

FFS.

Offence: sitting in the driver's seat in a car stationary with the engine running while drunk.

Offence: sitting in the driver's seat in a car stationary with the engine running texting (although in practice the police would be very unlikely to take that further).

Offence: doing 127mph on the A1(M), as a random example (news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2385533.stm)

Which is most dangerous?

Speeding is the nice middle class crime, because you're late for yoga. Not like chavs texting (some of them can't even spell!) or alcoholics driving drunk.

What kills you in car accidents is the energy of the accident. 10% more speed is 21% more energy. Going from 30mph to 42mph doubles the energy in an accident. Of course speeding is dangerous. You're just OK with it because you do it.

I would not like to be famous. I would not like my life scrutinised. I would hope anyone suffering from MH issues gets the help they need.
However- there have been whisperings about Ant’s behaviour for years (allegedly). And that his addiction was labelled by his management team as “painkillers” because that is more savoury and “family friendly” than coke. Allegedly.
So while I do wish him a speedy recovery etc etc I do think his agent has managed to keep a lot under wraps. I hope he’s able to get his shit together. Whatever shit that might be.

I don't like the phrase virtue signalling, but I find it ironic in the extreme that posters yapping on about 'judgement' and sneering etc are... you guessed it, judging. Big time.

My mum lost the three people who raised her to alcohol addiction issues. Two of those were killed by drunk drivers, the other WAS a drunk driver, who first seriously injured himself, then drank himself to death when he couldn't live with those injuries.

I was at the funeral and saw the devastation of his children, his family, his friends. Addiction does not excuse everything.

The phrase 'everyone makes mistakes' is wheeled out by those who want to minimise their own or other's actions. Not by people taking accountability.

Theres been whisperings about him being gay for years as well.
If he is he needs to come out, to me its like Michael Barrymore all over again.

I’d be interested in seeing stats on the relative danger of driving offences. Maybe calculated as “number of deaths or accidents per mile” or something. As a means of proving the relative seriousness of each offence.

So you could compare sober speeding, drunk driving, texting, handsfree etc.

I don’t have a horse in this race. Never driven in any way intoxicated, I don’t speed etc. But it does seem reasonable that we have a means of saying what is more dangerous.

I’ll have a google. Anyone have info like this?