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“In politics stupidity is not a handicap.” We know this now! Trump thread cont.

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TheClaws · 19/03/2018 06:34

This is a quote of Napoleon Bonaparte. Napoleon has a number of quotes when Read through the lens of Trump are eerily prescient. Napoleon wasn’t of the same political bent as Trump necessarily, and he was certainly more cerebral, but the lust for power is the same.

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3191613-Even-if-you-subpoena-us-we-wont-turn-up-on-the-Trump-threads

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spacechimp · 23/03/2018 23:40

Yeah, I know that's the most sensible thing for me to do. I sometimes give in and find myself checking, though, in some weird kind of self-harm, usually before bed.

If you mean Mattis, then yes, I do. Frequently

TheClaws · 23/03/2018 23:46

Except “line-item vetos” are unconstitutional. His base are WERY WERY UPSET (you need to say that in an Elmer Fudd voice) about Trump signing this bill.

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
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Donald J. Trump Retweeted Fox News
As a matter of National Security I've signed the Omnibus Spending Bill. I say to Congress: I will NEVER sign another bill like this again. To prevent this omnibus situation from ever happening again, I'm calling on Congress to give me a line-item veto for all govt spending bills!

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TheClaws · 23/03/2018 23:48

Thanks to everyone for the birthday wishes! You are all stars Star

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cozietoesie · 24/03/2018 00:10

I do mean Mattis. 45's worst appointment.

From his own perspective. Wink

TheClaws · 24/03/2018 03:07

Even Ann Coulter is unhappy with him - and that takes quite a bit of doing.

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TheClaws · 24/03/2018 04:54

Caroline O. @RVAwonk
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#BREAKING: Trump just released a memo announcing that he is moving forward with his widely condemned plan to ban most transgender people from serving in the military.

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OuaisMaisBon · 24/03/2018 05:01

Am just interjecting this recent hopeful Facebook post by Dan Rather and wishing there was a younger version of him (he's 86, you know!) on hand to stand for President. Obviously the comments supporting him are numerous and give hope that the Blue Wave might be coming in November; however, there are many comments from "haters" who call out the "libtard snowflakes" and continue to support Trump no matter what and I fear that they may yet take over the world. So now I'm depressed again.
Anyway, Dan Rather writes:
"I spent today inspired. I spent today moved. I spent today deeply hopeful. I spent today believing that this country's best days may just yet be ahead of it.

I spent today talking to five of the student leaders from Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School who have shaken this nation's status quo on the issue of gun violence - Emma Gonzalez, David Hogg, Alex Wind, Cameron Kasky, and Jaclyn Corin. They are in Washington, DC for tomorrow's March For Our Lives.

I was struck by the vigor of youth, which should be of no surprise. But still to be in their presence was something special. Their energy and commitment was palpable and it was satisfying to see and hear. Their passion runs deep, and I recognize it as that special brand of passion that can only be born from a searing personal and emotional experience.

Entrenched interests like the NRA who seek to blunt these students' message endeavor to paint them as pawns of adult liberal activists. It is a charge that is insulting, and false. I noticed how bipartisan this group was. Some are Republican, some have parents that lean that way. Some come from homes that have guns. They are not making cynical demands or advocating for a checklist derived from some think tank white sheet. Rather they are pleading with the President, with elected leaders, with anyone who can make a difference, to act in the name of safety, reason, and rationality.

They note correctly that polling shows a majority of the country believes in common sense gun laws. And they insist that they will make their voices heard - in the streets and at the ballot box. We shall see what happens, but I would not bet against them. (I will share a link to our discussion in the comments section below)

As I spent time with these young leaders, I thought of a 1966 address that then-Senator Robert Kennedy gave in South Africa. It is referred to as the "Ripple of Hope" speech and many consider it his best formal oration. It was a clarion call for justice and individual rights. Kennedy said that our hope must lie in our youth and all who recognize the power of idealism to change the world. It is a message as apt today as it was more than 50 years ago.

"Our answer is the world's hope; it is to rely on youth. The cruelties and the obstacles of this swiftly changing planet will not yield to obsolete dogmas and outworn slogans. It cannot be moved by those who cling to a present which is already dying, who prefer the illusion of security to the excitement and danger which comes with even the most peaceful progress. This world demands the qualities of youth: not a time of life but a state of mind, a temper of the will, a quality of imagination, a predominance of courage over timidity, of the appetite for adventure over the life of ease."

Quantumblue · 24/03/2018 05:17

President Obama is briefly in Sydney. He has held speeches at private functions and said
'Fact, logic and reason are being tested around the world.'

Miss him.

www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-23/barack-obama-arrives-in-sydney-ahead-of-visit/9580134

OuaisMaisBon · 24/03/2018 06:23

Don't we all, Quantumblue? Sad Well, perhaps not Charolais, apparently.

Roussette · 24/03/2018 07:31

A belated Happy Birthday to you Claws, hope it was a good 'un!

spacechimp you really should step away from t'internet... it's all about self preservation and if it stresses you, it's just not worth trying to keep up to date. Dip back in to this thread when you feel stronger Flowers. We'll still be here!

Interesting interview on Sky with 3 young people involved in today's Gun Control Marches. A March is actually taking place in London and the organiser of that was on. The journos interviewing them asked some good questions.. what came out was what they are hoping for and why. Banning of ARs, raising the age to 21 (apparently you can own a gun aged 14 in Montana Shock) and the background check thing... gun shows allow people to circumvent checks.
As one of the young guys said...the likes of Columbine, Sandy Hook, Columbine were by shooters aged 18, 19 and 20 and they were people who were acting out a childhood fantasy. Raising the age would do something to stop this. All this we know but I was impressed with how determined they sounded. Good luck to them.

Lweji · 24/03/2018 08:23

Trump's Dow Jones performance didn't really compare that well against Obama, but it looks like he has won on one account. The biggest drop.

www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2018/jan/08/how-trump-obama-compare-stock-market/

After recovering from the recession, the stock market under Obama looks steady and boring.
Trump’s is starting to look like bubble and burst. Only good for speculators, IMO.

lionheart · 24/03/2018 09:05

Hello spacechimp and Flowers

www.rawstory.com/2018/03/maddow-puts-money-trump-pardoning-michael-flynn-sunday-afternoon-distract-stormy-daniels/#.WrWxQFoHAAA.twitter

On a more positive note, someone on the Twitter just suggested Shit-Storm as the shared moniker for a newly emergent high-profile couple.

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lionheart · 24/03/2018 09:09

This too.

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lionheart · 24/03/2018 09:16

This again. A distraction and something for his base.

www.politico.com/story/2018/03/23/trump-transgender-troops-ban-483434

'Donald Trump on Friday issued orders to ban transgender troops who require surgery or significant medical treatment from serving in the military except in select cases — following through on a controversial pledge last year that has been under review by the Pentagon and is being fought out in the courts.'

lionheart · 24/03/2018 09:28

www.theguardian.com/education/2018/mar/24/cambridge-analytica-academics-work-upset-university-colleagues

'One of the world’s best universities is coming under increased pressure over how it handled concerns raised about the mass data harvesting at the heart of the Facebook and Cambridge Analytica scandal, after a cache of emails revealed heated exchanges between senior academics involved.

The May 2014 emails seen by the Guardian reveal staff at Cambridge University, including a departmental director, challenged the psychologist who collated data belonging to more than 50 million Facebook users over his plans to strike a deal with the parent firm of Cambridge Analytica. In one email confronting Aleksandr Kogan, his activities are branded a “get rich quick” scheme.'

ginandtonicformeplease · 24/03/2018 09:32

Flynn struck a plea bargain, which surely means ongoing cooperation and testimony against others? Don't the states also have charges that they could file and 45 couldn't pardon - all Flynn has admitted to is lying to the FBI, surely if he accepted a presidential pardon he could end up being charged with something much more serious at state level?

I remember reading about how Jared et al accepting a preemptive pardon would be dangerous as it would be an admission of guilt that could be used against them at state level, would the same not apply to Flynn?

lionheart · 24/03/2018 09:47

From a while back.

www.vox.com/2017/8/29/16211784/flynn-charged-fbi-trump-pardon-mueller-russia

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 24/03/2018 09:56

ginandtonic just typing your name is setting off hangover nausea maddow made that prediction in a bet as to what trump and co would pull out to distract from stormy daniels’ interview, given that some postulate he fired McMaster to distract from McDonough’s interview. I don’t think it has to amount to anything other than to be a dead cat, or at least that was the impression I got watching last night’s segment on it. It is a high stakes bet too - the winner gets tacos Grin

cozietoesie · 24/03/2018 12:35

I'm betting Not. To flip shows - almost - a moral weakness in Trump's eyes. I think any pardoning would be for someone else. Wink

TheNorthWestPawsage · 24/03/2018 13:21

A crowd of about 500-600 (?) outside U.S. Embassy in London for March For Our Lives.

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cozietoesie · 24/03/2018 13:29

Oh Well Done Them. Smile

cozietoesie · 24/03/2018 13:47

Smile - you're on 'Candid Corruption'. Grin