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Phone taken away dd on sleepover?

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upsideup · 17/03/2018 11:16

DD(10) was on a sleepover last night, first sleepover with this girl but we have had the girl at ours a few times before, her mum has always asked that we take her dd's phone off her before bed which we have done( we plug it in outside dd's bedroom so she could still get it if she needs it) but I remember having the conversation that my dd likes to have her phone with her on sleepovers so she is able contact us.
The mum took dd's phone of her at 8 last night and put it in her bedroom, dd did ask if she could keep it turned off in her bag but she wasnt allowed, shes' quite anxious about sleepovers and knowing she can text us to come pick her up etc without talking to the parents make her more comfortable, she also does contact us a bit anyway to say goodnight and check when we are picking her up etc. Shes also didnt get her phone back untill we picked her up at 11 because she was too nervous to ask for it.
We were a bit worried that she hadnt replied when we text goodnight and we were on are way, but I had assumed she was having too much fun and hadnt thought to check her phone not that she wasnt allowed to.
DD was upset when we picked her up, obviously not to tears or anything but it did make her feel uncomfortable that someone else took her phone and she wasnt able to contact us, she wasnt able to get any sleep because she was worried about it.

AIBU in that she shouldnt of done that without contacting me first?
The girls are quickly becomming close friends so its likely dd will get more sleepover invites, can I or how can I tell the mum that I would like dd to keep her phone?

OP posts:
BarbarianMum · 17/03/2018 14:08

Annie you must be kidding. If you leave your child with someone, they are responsible for your child's safety until you collect them again. If you don't like that, don't leave them.

ChocolateWombat · 17/03/2018 14:08

Surely most 8 and 9 year olds don't have phones anyway. This seems to be an age when they are having sleepovers - so they start before they have phones and so clearly cannot use one to contact home. Why do they suddenly start needing them by their beds a couple of years later?

If I were having a primary age child to stay, I would check with parents in advance if there was anything special I should know about, if it was their first time with us. I would say I was happy to give them a ring if anything arose. If any of the kids had phones (and most kids my DC know get them as they finish Year 6 not before) I would ask them to leave them downstairs with ours.

If I had secondary age kids staying, again I'd ask them to leave their phones downstairs. Always make sure there is a clock in room.

I would leave adult visitors to make their own choices.

If I knew a particular child was very anxious and wanted to have a sleepover, and if I knew that parent well, I would work with them to try to make it a success for that child .....discussion in advance of how to do that. Might involve a phone call in evening.....but no phones in bedroom. It might require lots of chat with other parent to make it work. I'd be glad if we helped that child make a step towards independence.

I'd be really annoyed if I was a hosting parent and a child came to stay who had anxiety issues and their parent didn't spell it out to me in advance and talk through how to make it work and check I was happy with the situation. I'd be even more annoyed if said parent just turned up in the night to take a child away over an issue I had been aware of. Never mind parent not sending them again, they wouldn't be invited again.

Why wouldn't a parent with an anxious child spell it all out to the host in advance? That's far more negligent than not having a phone. To be honest, suggests poor communication skills from parent, which perhaps child is inheriting!

Deshasafraisy · 17/03/2018 14:09

Yabvu.

Lweji · 17/03/2018 14:10

The OP gets to decide what’s best for her DD’s safety & well being. She’s managed 10 years without needing this other mother’s decision making skills.

But those decisions were passed on to the other mother when the child went on a sleepover.
This child didn't check in a hotel or went camping by herself. She was under the care of another parent.
You either trust their judgement or you don't, in which case, don't send the child on the sleepover.

Deshasafraisy · 17/03/2018 14:11

Please stop giving 10 year olds smart phones. At this age an old school Nokia is enough. Giving a young child a smart phone is extremely bad parenting.

OneStepSideways · 17/03/2018 14:11

If she phoned you at 3am saying she wanted to come home, would you just turn up?

If she can't approach the mum in charge when she has a problem or wants to go home early, she's not ready for sleepovers. I'd work on her confidence rather than give her a phone as a security blanket.

user1490607838 · 17/03/2018 14:14

Haven't RTFT and cannae be arsed tbh. But there are massively mixed views about this, and my views are that I would be fucked off if MY child had her phone taken off her, as it's her property, and no mom of her mates has any 'right' to take it. Especially if she felt safe with it.

YANBU @upsideup

issaflame · 17/03/2018 14:14

YABU

nellieellie · 17/03/2018 14:20

My 10 yr old DD does not have a phone. She only has sleepovers with friends/Family who would know if she’s upset or wants to come home. My DD is also quite able to tell people if she has a problem. She wouldn’t be allowed on a sleepover if she couldn’t. I think it’s bad manners for a child to text parents without the hosts knowing. I would not allow a child having a sleepover at mine to have a phone in the bedroom, or to play games on a phone while here. I’ve never, though had a problem, as none have ever brought phones with them.

FrancisCrawford · 17/03/2018 14:24

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jannier · 17/03/2018 14:24

Most 11 year olds have gone away with schools for a week for years (im in my 50's and had the chance even back then, my son and daughter did and the school still does now) they are not allowed phones and parents get a text message to say all have arrived.
I would arrange and good night call at the house your child is (no way 11 pm) and then talk in the morning if need be.....you need to trust who you send your child to and your child needs to be able to talk to hem about fears to help them mature. If your child was upset or unwell you would have had a call. But supporting your child's fears (and possibly your own) is holding her back. What on earth would you all have done before everyone had pones.

ChocolateWombat · 17/03/2018 14:27

Sandandsea, I liked what you said about the key issue being to teach children how to deal with situations they find themselves in.

The answer cannot always be 'ring mummy'. Children need to learn to assess situations and to decide if something happening is just something they don't like that much or something which needs adult intervention. They need to learn how to tell a teacher or the adult in charge - it might not be easy, but it's really important and something parents neglect to do at their peril. As parents, even with phones and the Internet we are not here 24/7 and children must learn to turn to others too - that is so important. Very small children cannot do this - that's why they aren't given much independnedence and don't go to sleepovers.

Parents have to make judgements about what their child is ready for. Just because other 6 year olds go to sleepovers, doesn't mean they are all ready. If your child won't manage a night away from contact with mum or dad, or in liklihood want to come home in the middle of the night, just wait a while until they can cope better. A phone isn't a substitute for having the skills to be able to handle a situation and a phone shouldn't delay parents teaching their child those skills.

I wonder if parents are giving their young children phones in the mistaken belief that they have somehow covered them for all risks - that now, they do t have to teach their child to communicate with the world, or to assess situations or to make judgements about what is safe and not.

And I think it's important that if parents send their children away overnight, whether with the school or with other parents, they understand that in that place, the other adults rules will apply. That's also something to teach your children - whether away on play dates or overnight. Surely no-one would say that because at home the family eats at 6, expecting a visitor to eat at 7 is unacceptable, or because a child goes to bed at 10 at home, asking them to go to bed at 9 whilst on a sleepover cannot be acceptable because it goes against what the parents have always done, or because the child has the TV on all the time at home, they must be allowed it all the time whilst at a play date, makes sense.

When we let our children go elsewhere, we do handover responsibility for that short time. We expect the other adults to look after our child and we trust them to do this, knowing it might not be in quite the same way we would. Most people can cope with that and learning not everyone does everything the same is part of venturing out of the home into the wider world.

Parents who want the same rules as they use at home used in every other home, especially when they have never even bothered to make clear what those are, are just not in the real world and are self-indulgent and creating a narrow little bubble for their child, which doesn't foster gradual and growing independnetnce and venturing into the world.

If you have a particular thing that as a family you do and feel is really important for your child if they are staying elsewhere, THEN MENTION IT TO HOSTS AND ASK HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT IT - notice I don't say, just inform them, but have the courtesy to ask them, so that they can say if they are happy about it or not. And if they aren't, and it's a deal breaker for you, then the sleepover doesn't have to happen. Simples! But don't just assume they will do things the same way that you do.

ChocolateWombat · 17/03/2018 14:31

And all this 'had their phone taken away' is over dramatising what happens.
At bedtime, children are often simply reminded to leave their phones downstairs, or to put them wherever that family keeps them overnight. There is no forcible removing them.

If a child didn't want to leave the phone behind and after I'd explained why we do it, refused, I wouldn't be physically removing it from them.....but I would be contacting home for them to have a chat with child or to come and get them.

GrooovyLass · 17/03/2018 14:32

If your child is too nervous to speak to her friend's mum then she shouldn't be staying over. And I say that as a parent of a child with ASD and terrible social anxiety.

I run a club (Brownies, so plenty of 10yo girls) and we go on sleepovers, sometimes for two nights. Mobiles (and in fact any tech) are banned at our weekly meetings and definitely at sleepovers.

JazzHandsJack · 17/03/2018 14:33

Could there have not been a little compromise here. Ok, house rules are, no phones in bedrooms. Could the adult of the house not have said ‘...but I’m going to keep it with me, and if you need me during the night, come in at any time’. Some children don’t have the confidence to speak to grown ups no matter how much they know them. It’s often a respect your elders thing.

Lovesagin · 17/03/2018 14:34

I always keep my phone upstairs because there have been a lot of burglaries in my area so I feel a bit better knowing I can call the police from upstairs rather than saying "excuse me, can I just get past you so I can get to the phone, thanks" to the burglar.

I also keep the dog upstairs so she doesn't get robbed Grin

QuackPorridgeBacon · 17/03/2018 14:36

Deshasafraisy She doesn’t have a smart phone.

Can those who are saying “the mums house so her rules” please then explain to me something. Would the Op be in the right if she allows the other mums child to have unlimited access to her phone while at her house even though the other Mum has said she would rather not?

applesareredandgreen · 17/03/2018 14:37

I would not have been happy if another child's parent had taken my DCs phone off them at night unless they had been very clear before the sleepover that this was going to happen so that both I, and my DC were aware of this. And knowing that the other parent doesn't like their DC having a phone at night is not the same at all as being explicit that they would remove your child's phone. In fact the more I think about it, it's a bloody cheek and I would def not be happy.

Smellylittleorange · 17/03/2018 14:38

OP I really dont get why you have posted this on aibu but if you want your dd to have a relationship with this girl unfettered by anxiety and worry can i suggest speaking to the parents

Yes you have explained that you mentioned Dd likes her phone with her at night but (correct me if wrong) it sounds like this was in the context of the friend staying at yours . An easily forgotten convo. You really need to give the other parents a break ...you saying you are worried as they took the non smart phone away ..maybe they didnt realise it was...you are implying that they are putting your daughter in danger! If i had someone at that age over for a sleepover at 10 years old you can be damn sure i wouldnt explain my house rules to the parents " yes no flushing of loo at night and lights off by 9 oh and no putting on cbbc i player at 6 am"

But I would expect the other parent to reiterate any concerns they may have beforehand especially if it is something that is a cause of anxiety to them or the child say asthma inhalers , favourite toys, cant sleep with door open, best not too drink too close to bedtime as night pees disrupt sleep.etc.

It doesnt hurt to communicate with other parents. Think you are out of order by implying there is something nefarious going on and tbh if thats the way you think just dont leave dd alone or send her on sleepovers

Tralalee · 17/03/2018 14:38

Watching some of the awful stuff on YouTube, including horror film trailers will give your child worse anxiety, believe me. A friends dd had a sleepover and they spent the night watching horror trailers on YouTube. The poor kid was a nervous wreck for months.

Missnearlyvintage · 17/03/2018 14:39

YANBU I don't think.

You spoke to the friend's Mum prior to the sleepover so she knew how your DD felt, and she could've handled the situation in a much more sensitive manner, especially after your DD had tried to come to a compromise with her. If the phone had been put in a communal area like a hallway, I don't think it would have been an issue - your DD would still have been able to access it fairly easily if needed, and this probably would not have bothered her very much either as she would have known she still had access to it.

You could have made it clear to the other Mum that you'd like her phone to stay nearer to her though, and had the conversation with your DD about what was going to happen re it definitely being taken from her so it was not sprung on her (phone maybe not necessarily in the room but not taken away somewhere she couldn't access).

If in the same situation I would have a conversation with my DD about the possibility of not having a phone for a length of time if it is a house rule at someone's house, or if there is battery etc. and reassure her that it is still okay and what she can do if she wants to contact you, and that you will be thinking of her as well even if she hasn't contacted you at the normal time, like to say goodnight.

Just because children get along well, it doesn't mean one's child will get on equally as well with their friend's parents/guardians, so I think it is sensible that there is a way to contact you directly.

Tralalee · 17/03/2018 14:39

favourite toys, cant sleep with door open, best not too drink too close to bedtime as night pees disrupt sleep.etc

How OLD are these kids?!

ChocolateWombat · 17/03/2018 14:39

I suspect the parents who find it horrifying that a host family expects a visitor to follow the rules of their house, will find school trips where children don't have free access to mobiles, and secondary schools with fairly rigid rules which have to apply to even their own child, rather difficult to deal with.

The fact is that as children increasingly go out into the world, rather than soending 24/7 at home with parents, the rules of others increasingly apply. Children and parents have to accept this. It's those who fight against it and want their own rules to apply to their child and for their child to be an exception, who struggle as parents and whose children struggle with growing independence.

Of course we must love and support our children. Part of that is teaching them how to be gradually more independent in an age and individual appropriate way. We shouldn't put them in situations that they can't cope with (sleepovers might be an example) and we need to accept that they and we will need to have our comfort zones pushed just a little bit to allow for growth.

That first sleepover, or first school residential, or first holiday with nother family, or first visit alone to the shops isn't always easy. But we learn from these experiences and grow. If there's never a chance to struggle through for just a little while, because we are told to ring for help immediately and because someone always comes immediately, we won't make individual steps or learn the process for doing that, or to judge what is a 'normal and positive' amount of challenge to just be faced and got on with, and what is actually too much and does require a shout for help.

QuackPorridgeBacon · 17/03/2018 14:40

Tralalee That isn’t a problem in this scenario.

AjasLipstick · 17/03/2018 14:41

To those who would be pissed off at their child's phone being taken away....what about the parents who dont want ten year olds on a phone at midnight?

I don't allow my ten year old private access to the internet at night. If her mate turned up with a phoe I'd not be pleased.

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