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To wonder if you judge people who work in "crap" jobs, and if so why?

354 replies

ReallyThough100 · 16/03/2018 15:17

So, cleaners, dishwashers, fast food workers. Jobs seen as "dead end" and a bit shit. I have a job people think this about, and it often shows unfortunately (outside of work more than in it).
Aibu to ask, do you judge people who do this and what's the reasoning behind it?

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TheSaviorsAreNonU · 16/03/2018 16:54

Never.

I've done loads of "crap" jobs and I'm university educated with a professional qualification.

I'd judge someone who was doing a "crap" job craply though!

StickThatInYourPipe · 16/03/2018 16:55

I heavily judge people who treat people in jobs like this as ‘lesser’.

Nuffaluff · 16/03/2018 16:56

No I don’t. I did lots of jobs like that as a student. I respect them because I know how physically exhausting those jobs are.

DowntonCrabby · 16/03/2018 16:57

I'm in a job that's often classed as crap/dead end etc albeit not one of those mentioned above.

It's so flexible that it works perfectly for my family, only stressful when I'm actually there so nothing to mentally take home, fairly well paid when comparing to NMW/NLW and hugely rewarding. I LOVE it!

Generally in my circle friends and family in these types of job have a fantastic work/life balance and much less stress compared to those in higher powered roles.

sidewayswithatescotrolley · 16/03/2018 16:58

Well maybe not judge exactly, but I do wonder why someone is doing it

Isn't it obvious? Because thats the kind of job they can get, or are able to do, or that fit with their lives. There is no mystery to it

In the area I live there are a lot of jobs, so it’s relatively easy to get one that gives you some kind of career prospects, so if I know someone has been in a ‘crap’ job for years I do sometimes wonder why

There is no area at all where there are lots of "non crap jobs" that just anyone can do. It's not easy to get a job with career prospects if you are lacking in qualifications, or have specific deficits, or have a record, or a disability, or a caring responsibility, or a hundred other things.

Do people really think its that simple? That there are loads of jobs every min wage worker could get and they are bemused that they don't just move on?

manicinsomniac · 16/03/2018 16:59

No, not at all.
A) They might have chosen the job because they enjoy it.
B) All jobs need doing - what would we do without them?
C) Most people do a job like that at some point in their lives - for most people it's just one of many jobs they will do.

duffaho · 16/03/2018 17:00

I wonder what would happen if one day all of the people who do low skilled, low paid jobs just decided to not do them any more.
So no shop assistants, no cleaners, no bin men ,no call centre workers, no hospital assistants. The list is endless. All of them necessary and without them society could not function.

I wonder how long it would be before we missed lawyers or politicians?Or celebs?

Ihatemyclients · 16/03/2018 17:00

I think it's totally wrong to look down on any jobs. We need dishwashers and fast food workers etc, and it's totally hypocritical to benefit from these services while denigrating the people who provide them. All workers should be treated with decency, paid fairly and respected.

juddyrockingcloggs · 16/03/2018 17:00

No such thing as a crap job. Those 'Crap' jobs make the world turn round.

Want a meal in a restaurant on a clean plate? That's someone with a crap job stacking the dish washer.

That clean living room you wanna walk into on a night to relax. Someone with a 'crap' job did that for you.

Those 'crap' jobs feed families and make sure that they have a warm bed to put their kids into at night.

frasier · 16/03/2018 17:01

No I don't. Every job is important. They are WORKING.

I remember once having a conversation with a prat friend of a friend in a pub who was embarrassed that his girlfriend worked in a hotel. WTF? (He was at uni, not working, supported by his parents.) When said girlfriend turned up she regaled us all with tales of hotel life, she ought to write a book it would sell out. Her job was really interesting yet it wasn't upmarket enough for her bf obviously.

I hope she left him!

TalkinBoutWhat · 16/03/2018 17:05

Hmm, it's hard to say. I'm doing crap jobs myself right now, and I hate part of it. But, it's temporary, and I'm doing what I can to change the situation.

I would really only judge if someone is doing what they perceive is a 'crap' job, and they moan about it frequently, play the pity game, and refuse to do something about it. So it's not the job that I judge, it's the 'woe is me' attitude that I judge. (I'm not talking about the occasional good old moan between friends, btw).

Notmorewashing · 16/03/2018 17:08

No I don’t, you never know someone’s life experience and/or background. Also there are lots of Crap people in higher powered jobs through the old boys club and sucking up !

thiskittenbarks · 16/03/2018 17:12

If I'm totally honest i think I subconsciously do but I hate the thought that I do so.
I think we all make judgments whether we mean to or not.
Now I'm past the graduate stage of thinking career is the most important thing about a person I see why people would want to do "crap jobs". I know a few really bright people who gave up high flying jobs in investment banking and accounting etc - one to work in a supermarket, another to be a gardener and another to open a cafe (so others would probably see her as a cafe waitress). The one with the cafe says people who work in the same industry as her come in and are rude to her - acting as if they are above her and she is a lowly waitress. What they don't know is she used to work in the city and much prefers her new life.

Thesmallthings · 16/03/2018 17:15

Nope never..
1- it's important work.. some one has to do it other wise those on top would fall

2- they are doing crappy jobs that I would guess most never envisioned when growing up but have to pay the bills.

I would judge those who Think their above cleaning etc and would rarther be on benifits then clean.

If cleaned toilets.. public toilets at that.. needles and shit of the walls and sink.... i was lucky to get in to childcare and carry on my education.

HungerOfThePine · 16/03/2018 17:15

No I don't and never will as I've been doing these menial jobs for yrs Grin.
Most of the time I have felt valued(not patronised) by the people or companies that I've worked for although it's not something I want to be doing all my life so I am returning to studying to improve my circumstances.
I have life experience and skills even from these jobs and I am currently self employed due to that, I've been offered career ladder jobs and refused because they didn't come at the right time in life.

Everyone needs someone to clean your streets,homes,offices, empty your bins and stack shelves in shops, manage traffic etc without them you wouldn't be able to go about your day with ease.

My dm has been a cleaner all her working life and she is happy with that.

I'd judge someone for judging me Grin.

Ollivander84 · 16/03/2018 17:18

Nope. I have a shit load of qualifications including a BA hons degree and I work part time as a carer. I did it full time, then got a job working for a prestige car brand. I love the care work and so I carry on doing it part time
I have absolutely no patience for 99% of people yet I seem to be good at care work ConfusedGrin

Whydomypubeslooklikeanest · 16/03/2018 17:18

I am a cleaner.

I also have a degree.

I am stuck in the job because of the hours, they fit in around my available childcare because I am now a single parent of 6 children who gets no maintenance.

I am spoken to like crap, laughed at and looked down on every day.

I try not to care though, I'm out there providing for my children, and they appreciate seeing me going out to work, even if it is a crappy dead end job.

When they are older I'll maybe go for a career again, until then I need money and suitable hours so people can judge all they want, but my kids are clothed, fed and warm due to my shitty job.

buckeejit · 16/03/2018 17:20

Like a pp I've gone from a decent career at middle management level with over 40k pa to having 2 dc & working at a basic admin job on 8k pa.

I definitely feel looked down upon for it but tbf my manager hasn't helped as I've been discriminated against due to part time hours and getting paid less than my full time equivalent who has joined the company 4 years after me with no experience to more money and more senior job title! I also think when I give my friend decent advice about her fairly senior position she has seemed surprised recently that I have good ideas!

Generally though, good people don't judge!

ikeepaforkinmypurse · 16/03/2018 17:23

In a country where it would be easier to be on benefits - and it's proven they would have more disposable income if they didn't bother working? Absolutely not! I am impressed they bother doing a hard day of work when they could have it much easier.

I have never dated someone on low income. For that, I might be judgmental, but I just want someone who can at least keep up with me, in the sense of being able to afford the same holidays, the same nights out.

I would strongly discourage my kids to go for a minimum wage job, but that's common sense. Unless they have a passion that doesn't pay, why shouldn't they try to earn as much as possible and do a job they actually enjoy.

Ollivander84 · 16/03/2018 17:24

And also a carer is bloody hard work. You might have 50 minutes to wash someone; dress them, sort a catheter, dry them, make breakfast, tidy up the house, make them comfy, feed a pet, brush their teeth, hair and do medication. All while not looking like you are rushing! I always try to find time for the extra stuff like body lotion or perfume or reading a paper to help them feel better
Or 20 mins to cook food, give medication, change a pad and write notes

LoveInTokyo · 16/03/2018 17:26

Ollivander, the carers who look after my gran 24/7 (and all the other old, vulnerable and confused people in her nursing home) are angels in plain clothes, as far as I’m concerned.

YassQueen · 16/03/2018 17:36

Not at all. I did a short night shift last night (8 hours as opposed to 12 so not really "short" I suppose Hmm ) and went to McDs on the way home. I had so much respect (and a lot of gratitude) for the people who were awake and in work at 3am for not much pay. I'm in the NHS so I get extra unsocial hours payments for doing night shifts; I don't know (but doubt) the workers in McDs do. I respect them and the cleaners/carers/checkout staff/waiting staff/hospitality/retail workers of the world far more than the 9-5 office workers who clock off at 17:02 and then moan about how overworked they are.

I've waitressed, worked in fast food and in a supermarket. They're thankless, underpaid jobs.

PowerUp · 16/03/2018 17:39

No I don't. I've done those jobs as a student and in my future I would consider doing them again if I needed to. When you have to earn a living working on the tills in a supermarket is quite a good job- well that's how I see it anyway. I can see how for older people especially working in my local supermarket it's a valuable lifeline and social network for them as well as an income. People who judge others for working aren't worth worrying about frankly.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 16/03/2018 17:41

I am grateful to the people who do these jobs - how would we manage without them?

wanderings · 16/03/2018 17:41

If I had my way, MPs would only be allowed to stand if they had done a menial or customer-facing job for at least a year. They might then live in the world the rest of us live in, before making decisions which vastly affect people who earn far less than they do. Too many of them are millionaires born into wealth -> posh school -> Oxbridge -> Parliament.