to ask how you’re preparing for Brexit?

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There is so much uncertainty surrounding what will happen with trade deals and goodness knows what else, that I’m starting to wonder about making some sensible plans.

We have put a stop to some planned works we wanted to do to our house, we have downsized to one car and we grow a small amount of veg. We keep some stocks of food in the house but we have a large family so I never feel like we’d have enough.
We have discussed not taking a holiday this summer and DH is taking every training course possible at work in order to diversify his skills should his industry go tits up.

I’m wondering what decisions you’re making in your homes for what could possibly be a really uncertain time for a few years.

The sheer ignorance and simplicity of some comments here re GFA and NI/ROI are just staggering.

Doesn't surprise me, as I reckon many voters thought NI was part of ROI anyway, not UK with its NHS and miles not kms etc.

I think it was only when the DUP were paid off to support May that the penny dropped with many people who were totally ignorant of the fact that NI is actuallypart of the UK. I am serious.

Laurie one could equally argue that Tony Blair got drunk on power and only now as pretty much a direct result of his government policies and handling of eu issues the reality that the UK is leaving the eu has hit him as he goes round trying to reverse the vote.

Rufus I can assure you the thing he wanted was professional begging gangs gone.it was a heart breaking and pitiful conversation.

Other mps have been begging the wealthier voter to think of other people, vote leave for the poor, mps who care and have seen the direct impact on the poor of this country.

That mp was actually called a racist fascist on one of these threads.

snow

I would not disagree at all with that

Those professional beggers are complete scumbags

It wouldn't surprise me box. My granny lived in NI and used to send me a ten pound note on my birthday. It was a UK ten pound note but issued by Ulster Bank, so looked a bit different. EVERY SINGLE TIME the bank would tell me it wasn't legal tender because NI wasn't in the UK. Used to have to get the manager down every single time to confirm it was perfectly legal.

Which MP are you referring to, Snow?

Snow Blair made mistakes for sure. However, the person who is most responsible for the absolute mess we are in right now is David Cameron.

To put a question like that to the electorate, with no elaboration as to the terms, no clarification, no proper consultation with those who would be effected and no plan for what happened in the event of a leave vote is one of the most stupid and irresponsible acts ever inflicted on this country.

Drayton, I love your post and wish i’d been brave enough to write it!

we will all be nuked by Russia by then so wouldnt worry about it

The complexity of some of the issues are outlined here. Well worth a read.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexiteers-economics-crash-pound-trade-deals-incoherent-a7189901.html

The staggering lack of interest, let alone knowledge of what might be visited onto us is, at face value, astounding Yes, that's what keeps on surprising me. The stunning lack of understanding of what any of brexit entails.

Thought provoking post there Draylon. But you are right, there will descend soon some who will say go off to Aus, and feck off outta here with your notions of grandeur!

I say it is realistic myself. Britain is a wet miserable place on the edge of Europe in a total post colonial crisis where the lowest common denomitator will do for the masses, but not for the elites of course.

The keep calm and carry on thing is ridiculous too. It is a British thing for sure. Blinkered and ignorant without any planning sometimes.

Maybe it is a defence mechanism for not facing up to reality or something.

In pre ref days I remember a conversation I had with an American about how hard it was when you ceased as a nation to be the major superpower but overall UK had adjusted well and still managed to punch above it's weight using mostly soft power. Turns out I was totally wrong, a large part of the country have never adjusted and seem to reckon the second empire is just over the hill.

Exactly lakeshore. A lot of brexiters seem to be completely unaware of the fact that we don't have the industry, skills or products that we could use to support the U.K. That we had 45+ years ago!

Not only nothing really to sell we couldn't even be self sufficient! Not just food but energy too!

But what about London?

That's the powerhouse of the UK, nothing can deflate that can it?

The rest of the country can whistle, but London, no way will Brexit affect it surely?

(Tongue in cheek)

the London effect has possibly shielded most of the country for too long from the reality that Britain, under its successive right-wing, winner takes all governments, (which those on the 'losing side', also inexplicably keep voting in), is essentially a low skill/low income economy. The things that have made Britain great are provided by very mobile industries and people; Financial services, IT, medical research, high end arts

Good post. One place I would diverge slightly - what made Britain great in the 18/19c was the industrial revolution and trade. We were once famous for manufacturing extraordinary as it now seems and trade policies (haha.)

Imo the intentional depletion of the manufacturing industries under Thatcher, corollary building of the financial sector and the consequent decline of post-industrial areas is one of the key causes of Brexit via the financial crisis. To which we would not have been so heavily exposed if our manufacturing sector had been larger, and our finance sector smaller. The deep impact of the crisis was a direct consequence of Thatcherite economic p policies, which NewLab endorsed.

The Brexit vote highlighted that large areas of the country had basically been ignored for 40 years.

Much of the economic and social problems blamed on the EU are the direct result of U.K. government policy over 40 years combined with the financial crisis.

Hard right politicians and media have been happy to blame the EU for all this to suit their own agenda. And unfortunately the public believed them.

I agree the U.K. has been punching above its weight for a long time, buoyed by ex-Empire, being on the winning team in two world wars and subsequently by the successes of the EU project.

People who claim things can’t get worse clearly have forgotten the 70s when, as the sick man of Europe, our economy faced ‘wholesale domestic liquidation’. High inflation, strikes, oil crisis, Sterling crisis and an IMF bailout of over £2 billion.

I'm with draylon I'm baffled by many people who seem very complacent about what a 2% drop in GDP would actually mean (and remember the 2% is the best case scenario). The absolute arrogance of the make Britain great again/we had an empire once so we'll be fine brigade I find worrying and offensive in equal measure. I hope and pray I am very wrong but I fear many are in for a nasty reality check. I also agree that this might be something we have to do to come to terms with our new place in the world and finally move on from the hangover of "Empire".
That's all well and good, but I don't feel enough of a loyalty to my country to allow myself (and more importantly my kids) to suffer reduced security, income and opportunities to further this 'transformation'. It's partly because I believe handled differently (this goes back years mind you) we could have found a less disruptive damaging way to refine our place in the world. Mostly its because my kids come first. Our plan would be to sit tight but if it gets really bad we have the option of moving to Australia. We couldn't leave it too long and we would take a financial hit but hopefully our kids would be better off.

Brexit will be decided by London. By that I mean the Government in Westminster and the hangers on. They care not a jot for the consequences of this.

The reality is that those who will be most affected will have no say in the matter.

Couldn't vote (C.I.) but have been watching the shit hit the fan online. And it's really brought it home to me the class divide in Britain. Arsehole posh cunts on various sites bawling about cheap nannies, their holidays, their travelling. "Brexiters" too old, too uneducated to vote.

No idea what it's like to be turfed out your new job because it turned out your "probation" was really to cover until the Romanian from last season could come back over. One major low-skilled employer here has bumped wages down to below what they were late 90s - early 00s because hey, the Europeans who rent half a room in a doss house can cope with that wage!

Will it backfire? Possibly. But the WC should never have been made so desperate as to take a shot in the dark and told to STFU every time they open their mouths about immigrants.

My view that Brexiters, and several remainers on here actually don't care alarms me, but I guess if you've always lived a low-rent life and have neither the ability nor interest in understanding how much worse things can get, you kind of deserve what's coming to you

that took my breath away with its arrogance.

I think you probably need to realise that people deal with things differently. You seem to have all your ducks in a row. It would be a shame to lose you to Australia but so be it.

Tralalee

I don't think that is a good rebuttal.

Maybe you could be a bit more factual in your response. But I blame Facebook searching for likes from anyone.

Tralee - I agree and there is arrogance by the bucketload over on the EU Ref board, it’s a very unattractive trait.

Blurryface posh cunts bawling about cheap nannies and holidays is absolute bollocks.

I know plenty of working class people who could be arsed to educate themselves about the reality of the Brexit vote and didn't buy the original public school posh cunt - Nigel Farage's 'man of the people' schtick.