to ask how you’re preparing for Brexit?

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There is so much uncertainty surrounding what will happen with trade deals and goodness knows what else, that I’m starting to wonder about making some sensible plans.

We have put a stop to some planned works we wanted to do to our house, we have downsized to one car and we grow a small amount of veg. We keep some stocks of food in the house but we have a large family so I never feel like we’d have enough.
We have discussed not taking a holiday this summer and DH is taking every training course possible at work in order to diversify his skills should his industry go tits up.

I’m wondering what decisions you’re making in your homes for what could possibly be a really uncertain time for a few years.

Now someone has quoted Baz Luhrman at me I realise how stupid I have been to worry about something so minor as whether I have the right to live and work in the same country as my husband.

I think the advice not to worry is relevant if you're talking about a meteor wiping us out for example, as you can't do anything about it (unless you're Bruce Willis).

The point is you can prepare for things instead of worrying about them if there are things you can do to make things easier for yourself.

This is as an alternative to making shit decisions and ignoring all the warnings about the consequences of your shit decisions and just trusting in God or Theresa May or song lyrics to sort you out.

Mock all you want (it's the stock in trade for remoaners after all).

Regardless, of all the 'super-important-omg, if I don't prep for this I'm fucked' stuff that I've worried about at various points in my life, it has been the unexpected body blows that have hit completely out of the blue that have had the largest effects on my life thus far.

The real life-changing stuff is the things you never see coming.

People are not completely helpless. Some obvious defensive steps:

1. Reduce exposure to assets particularly exposed to Brexit (e. g. London/SE property)
2. Secure an EU passport if possible
3. Learn foreign languages

My job will be moving to an EU country in March 19. I was planning on leaving my DCs behind in the UK to finish school here but I’ve changed my mind and will be taking them with me. We also got them an EU passport (I have dual citizenship) and my DH who is an NHS consultant is also looking for a job in the EU. Leavers do not underestimate the impact on the NHS. Brexodus is happening, this is not scaremongering it is a fact!

I think it was you mocking in fact FaithHopeCharityDesperation with your Brexit parties etc.

Replying to people's genuine worries with platitudes, lyrics, and clichés made up by conmen (remoaners) is way more disrespectful than anything remain supporters have said on this thread.

1. Write to your MP and otherwise campaign against Brexit..

How is not knowing whether I can remain in the country where my husband and children live not "life-changing"? Really, you just don't get it do you? Brexshit has real life consequences for millions of people. They don't know if they will be allowed to stay in the places where they live. We point this out and your answer is basically, "chill". Do you realise how much of an uninformed dick that makes you sound?
So, yes...in answer to the main question, I am preparing for Brexit. I am taking out other nationalities to make sure I don't have to leave the place I've made my home.

I think it was you mocking in fact FaithHopeCharityDesperation with your Brexit parties etc.

Not mocking at all - will probs have one.

Faith, quoting some silly song lyrics in response to people outlining how Brexit is going to have very real consequences for their lives is stupid.

It indicates that either you are not capable of understanding the severity of the situation, or you simply don’t care because you don’t believe it will affect you.

Do you understand why that might make some of us think you are a selfish idiot?

Do you realise how much of an uninformed dick that makes you sound?

Calm down!

Do you seriously, truly believe that the UK is going to expel all EU citizens?
Or that the EU will demand that all member states expel UK citizens?
Or that the EU will suddenly cease to recognise qualifications already held and accepted?

If you really, truly believe that this is a real & present danger then I think you're overreacting (at best).

I was a remainer (whatever that really means) but honestly, this thread is ridiculous. I'll be doing nothing. No-one knows. We just live our lives as they come.

Same! (Remainer, but really think this thread is too much.!)
Although one thinks one should be stocking up on olive oil as well and getting your wellies on and going down the allotment just in case all the food runs out.
Or something.

Ok then Faith - what is being done to make sure none of that happens?

I'm all ears.

Do you realise how much of an uninformed dick that makes you sound?* Do you understand why that might make some of us think you are a selfish idiot?*

In other news, I couldn't give a toss what other people think of me, so you may as well save your ire.

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-13/britain-will-still-be-paying-for-brexit-in-2064-forecasters-say

Faith, mutual recognition of qualifications obtained in another EU country is a requirement linked to free movement.

Allow me to explain. I am a qualified lawyer and hold degrees from UK universities. As the UK is in the EU and I am a UK/EU citizen, if I go and work in another EU country they must recognise my academic and professional qualifications obtained in the UK as being equivalent to those I could have obtained in that country.

If I came from a country outside the EU and had received my education and training there, it would be up to the country in question whether they wanted to recognise my qualifications or not, because it would no longer be a question of exercising my right to free movement under the EU treaties, and it would therefore fall outside EU rules.

After Brexit, unless we sign up to continued free movement, I will Be considered equivalent to an American or a Canadian. Being married to a French citizen should allow me to remain in France, but that does not mean I can automatically continue to practise my chosen profession in the way I can now, or that my qualifications will continue to be recognised.

There is currently no clarity about what will happen.

Now tell me you still think I’m overreacting.

Faith can you tell me what will happen? Do you know what my legal status will be next year as a non-EU citizen in an EU country? Can you tell me what changes I will have to make, what paperwork I will need? What rights I will have? Do you not understand that it is life changing to not know (and nobody does) what your legal status and rights will be a year from now?
If next year you didn't know if you could stay in the UK, wouldn't you be researching ways to make sure you could? Would that be hysterical?

Now tell me you still think I’m overreacting.

I still think you're overreacting.

Great, more smugness and meaningless statements of faith from our beloved Brexiters.

The point is that we tell you that it actually has hugely far reaching effects on us personally, that we don't know if we can stay with our families after next year (probably, with lots more paperwork, but nobody actually knows, what if we can't afford that paperwork?) and you tell us to calm down and stop worrying. You obviously have next to no understanding of what Brexit actually means for millions of people.

Really? So what is your view on what I have said above? What can you say to reassure me that I will still be able to work as a lawyer in France after Brexit?

Can you find some more song lyrics for me? I’m sure that will fix everything.

It is overreacting to make plans (i.e taking other nationalities) about how to deal with not knowing if you can continue to live in the place you've made your home? It is overreacting to worry about what your legal status will be in a year's time?

To be honest, I would have more respect for people like Faith if they said, “well, tough shit, it’s not my problem”.

Quoting song lyrics and accusing people of overreacting when they have calmly spelled out the seriousness of their situation is just fuckwittery of the highest order.

And you get all offended when we say Brexiters are idiots who have no idea what they have done. Well, tough shit. Truth hurts.

I'm guessing she's busy googling 'song lyrics about professional qualifications' or 'insulting Nigel Farage catchphrases when you don't know what to say'. Or has gone to a thread she can practise empathy on, like a 'CF parking' thread.

TBH Brexit has shown me that I don’t really care to be a UK citizen anymore.