to ask how you’re preparing for Brexit?

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There is so much uncertainty surrounding what will happen with trade deals and goodness knows what else, that I’m starting to wonder about making some sensible plans.

We have put a stop to some planned works we wanted to do to our house, we have downsized to one car and we grow a small amount of veg. We keep some stocks of food in the house but we have a large family so I never feel like we’d have enough.
We have discussed not taking a holiday this summer and DH is taking every training course possible at work in order to diversify his skills should his industry go tits up.

I’m wondering what decisions you’re making in your homes for what could possibly be a really uncertain time for a few years.

I think that charge of being an uniformed dick could go both ways.

Many people refuse to take on boarding the affects on people lives from the eu. I see all the time people tell their personal experience and its belittled or written off or claimed.. You can't blame the eu for that, that was our government.

They slip and wiggle and argue agaisnt anything... And the reason why I have found out is because leaving will affect them.

They don't give a shiny shit about people's lives who are, were affected by staying... They only care about themselves and their family.

I have never known such blind belligerence than I read on here front the same posters over and over again because their family will be affected... To hell with everyone else, their issues are not relevant.

I guess this maybe why some leavers may sound casual in the face of these moans.

And to the smug, sneering Brexiters: up your collective arse.

@Snowmagedon 👍

Exactly that.

Perhaps if someone could explain what the benefits of Brexit are and how it will improve the lives of people who feel being in they EU had a negative effect on their lives, we might have more sympathy.

But we’ve been waiting nearly two years.

Yes, please explain these terrible effects of the EU. Because every single thing I've seen has actually been the UK government, not the EU at all. And please explain exactly how leaving the EU will make life better for those people. And I don't mean "sovereignty" or "taking back control" because that's just meaningless.
Even the government's own reports show the UK will be worse off after Brexit.

Again love in, it's been explained so many times in all shapes and forms.. I'm not sure having it explained yet again would be helpful. I think learning techniques on seeing a situation from both sides, arguing for the other side... Putting yourself in someone else's shoes, learning empathy etc are useful life techniques and worth looking into it.

Then when you do come across someone's who explains yet again Alk the plus points of brexit, all the reasons for brexit you may be better placed to listen, and take that info on board.

Translation: I can’t explain the benefits of Brexit because there aren’t any.

The truth is as a person who is privileged in many ways I don't think leaving the EU will affect me personally particularly badly. I just don't see why it is a good idea, and I think my kids will miss out on a load of great stuff and with nothing positive in its place.

If somebody could argue differently - with actual content in what they say - I'd be up for listening.

And no, it has never been explained. Not once, except with lies on a bus.

The government's own reports show it will negatively affect the UK.

Again love in, it's been explained so many times in all shapes and forms.. I'm not sure having it explained yet again would be helpful.

Bottom line is none of these explanations stand up to any scrutiny.

What people want to blame the EU for generally comes down to the decisions made by their own government or the general effects of globalization.

The EU has always been a convenient scapegoat, but that's all. I've yet to hear a story that stacks up about how it's made people's lives worse. I get that people want to blame something, yes, but that's not the same as constructing a logical narrative.

Explain it to me. If you can.

As someone who voted remain the histrionics both on here and across the wider media about Brexit are ridiculous. Exports to the EU account for approx 11% of the economy (based on 42% of UK exports going to EU, which is declining by 1-1.5% a year and exports equating to 27% of the UK economy). Some businesses will lose out, some will gain. Prices of some goods will go down and some will go up. If you think you will be poorer after Brexit then you probably will be but that's because of the choices you make. If you had acted on the Treasury warnings of increased unemployment and interest rates and recession just as a result of voting leave and before anything actually happened, all of which were wildly wrong you would be poorer now and we haven't left.

Translation: I can’t explain the benefits of Brexit because there aren’t any.

Indeed.

Actually while I've been thinking over things. I've realized that I have been ashamed of my British identity since I was 19 and will definitely be making plans to leave. I have no quality of life here and things won't get better for me after Brexit.

The thought of staying trapped in this country after Brexit makes me feel ill.

I'd love for someone to explain in detail how staying in the EU would have directly negatively affected them. Because I honestly can't see how it would.

The arguments brexiters have given for voting leave have as far as I have seen/read been ideological and largely not based in fact.

I've realized that I have been ashamed of my British identity since I was 19

Why?

Laurie, the eu doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

Specifically how, snowmagedon?

Go on, faith and snow spell it out. What are the advantages to leaving the EU? Specifics, no platitudes.

Yep it's always vague "eu does nothing for us" "we're better off out" never specifics

Laurie, the eu doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

Detailed arguments are convincing, but vague blanket statements are not.

Or that the EU will demand that all member states expel UK citizens?
Or that the EU will suddenly cease to recognise qualifications already held and accepted?

the point is we don't know what they will do, they probably won't kick us out, but they could make life a lot harder for us, meaning we have to leave. Many of us are in the benefits and health system here, that could potentially be withdrawn or access to it made a lot more difficult. Further education opportunities could be very limited leaving our children between a rock and a hard place, friends with children either in university or about to go to university don't know if they will be able to go because of the funding, those working here don't know if they will be kept on, self employed don't know if they will continue to be employable

Many people here were not able to vote in this referendum that has literally thrown our lives up in the air, and has effects on every area of our lives, to tell us we are over reacting for being genuinely concerned about how we will live is fucking insulting, and patronising.

Prices of essentials are already rising in the UK, Sterling has dropped in value, businesses, and financial institutions are leaving the UK in droves. Research is being relocated because much of the funding is from the EU. I am really worried about my older children in the UK, and their futures

I've realized that I have been ashamed of my British identity since I was 19

Why?

As someone who voted remain the histrionics both on here and across the wider media about Brexit are ridiculous

Agree. (From another Remain voter)