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Help me MN, should I LTB

103 replies

AmiU · 11/03/2018 23:02

I am about aware that this is a ridiculous question to ask on MN, but I've had some great advice and some home truths here in the past.

I have been having such a hard time with my DH, I feel like I'm in a fog I can't see through. I darent tell anyone IRL half this stuff, so I hope someone might have had experience of this, and can help me.

Background: we've been married 7 1/2 yrs, dd5 and ds2.

Reasons to LTB:

  • He is fucking awful to me. Actually refers to me as his 'punching bag'. Feels absolutely no remorse for acting horribly. Example, last weekend, we went out for an activity as a family, all having a nice time. I was so happy. We sat down in the food court and he knocked his drink into my meal. I didn't say anything but must've looked upset. Without missing a bite, he just snarled 'what are you looking at, clean it up you fucking idiot' then went back to our day as if nothing had happened. This happens often. I'm so worried my DC will either think this is normal or hate me for this situation.
  • Won't lift a finger to help with the kids or the house. Can't cook a single meal, refuses any task related to the kitchen, laundry or bathroom. At the most he'll tidy (but not vacuum) the living room. Refuses to do a thing for kids (bedtime, bath, meals, diapers, school stuff) but will play with them sometimes. When we married I earned more than him. We had an argument about me going back to work, and he said 'you thought you were so clever, now your job is to clean my shit'
  • likes to belittle/ embarrass me in front of people. Again, really worried DC might pick up his nastiness.
  • although she loves him very much, and he would never dare lay a finger on her, DC are wary of him. DD5 has told my sister, my parents, her teacher and her best friend that daddy 'is mean and rude' to mummy
  • I hate myself a little more each day I stay

I know it sounds like a clear LTB but these are my secret fears/ problems that stop me:

  • we are both Pakistani. I'm not saying anything about Pakistanis in general, but in my experience of my own family/ community divorced women and their children are ostracised and become second class citizens. I've seen it happen to the children of my aunt when she left her husband. I don't want to do that to DC if I could help it. I think my parents would support me, but they would suffer themselves and I would be ostracised from the rest of the family.
  • I'm from a very average family, he's from a rich and influential family back home. I'd be scared to take the kids back or send them to him for visitation if he relocated. I have absolutely no family and few friends in this country. So if I stay here alone, no support system at all.
  • he's very charming and ruthless. I know he'd do his best to alienate DC from me. He already uses them to upset me. I couldn't bear if they went to live with him, without me even being able to protect them from him.
  • I won't bring up DV (he's hit me before), he's in the UK on a visa and would lose it, but if I don't he's likely to have part time custody. I also have no proof of DV and even right after he hit me, he'd say 'you must be insane, I've never touched you'. The only people who know are his parents, they obviously won't back me up.
  • I can go back to work but realistically I'll never earn much. How can I be a single parent with no support network? He's a high earner and although I don't get much and have to account for myself, he's very generous with the DC. Would they resent me for taking opportunities away from them? I know he would try to 'woo' them away with expensive gifts etc, as PIL already manipulate all their kids with wealth.
  • my pregnant sister is married to his younger brother. I might never see her again or might make her life a lot harder if BIL decides to take sides.
  • what if im a terrible single parent and scar my DC for life? What if they hate me for leaving? What if something happens to me after I destroy their family support network?
  • he has diagnosed MH issues and has been suicidal before. What if he spirals after I leave and DC blame me when they're old enough to understand?

I'm so sorry for the rambling post, just a million thoughts in my head and I can't seem to sort them into any order.

OP posts:
UniversallyUnchallenged · 11/03/2018 23:04

Read what you have written- leave. Don’t look back

Deadwood58 · 11/03/2018 23:05

You need to remove yourself and your children from that toxic environment. They'll be far happier in the long run.

Dragongirl10 · 11/03/2018 23:07

LTB. Without hesitation

Allthewaves · 11/03/2018 23:07

Get in touch with woman's aid now.

Make exit strategy but tbh I'd be tempted to get access to money if you can, grab the kids and walk out the door and get to a refuge. Your children will end up treating you just the same if this continues.

You also have the freedom if not knowing anyone so I'd locate to completely different part of the country.

LovingLola · 11/03/2018 23:08

Go. And don't look back. Your children will thank you.

PuntasticUsername · 11/03/2018 23:10

Leave. It'll be hard, but not as hard as staying.

AmiU · 11/03/2018 23:10

What if they hate me from taking them away from everyone and everything they know, and I'm not a good enough mother any ways?

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TotHappy · 11/03/2018 23:12

Fuuuuuuuuuck! Ok, yes you should leave him. Your fears are valid, however, so maybe you need to talk things through with women's aid or something to give yourself the strength and courage of having a plan? So you would be able to keep your kids safe and not have them taken by him, kidnapped etc? I'm so sorry i dont know who the best organisation s for you to talk to but hopefully someone else does.

MyRelationshipIsWeird · 11/03/2018 23:12

I got as far as Reasons to LTB: - He is fucking awful to me. Actually refers to me as his 'punching bag'. and it's a clear LTB.

I have read the rest of it too and I understand your reasons for being hesitant, but you must leave for your own and your DCs' safety. If your community ostracises you then they're not a community in any proper sense of the word, you will make new friends who don't judge you for your H's actions. I'm glad you feel that your parents would support you though, that will help.

I hope someone can come along and advise about the abuse/custody issues - I'm sure Women's Aid would be able to help you if you gave them a call. Be careful because it's often when they sense you leaving that they up the abuse. Cover your tracks, keep your internet history clear if he has access to your devices etc., sign out of MN so he can't see your thread here.

You only get one life and you deserve to live it without being anyone's punching bag Flowers

TotHappy · 11/03/2018 23:13

You will be good enough. You can be good enough. He is a terrible role model at the very least, and more than likely will hurt then at some point. They know this isn't right. They may well be angry at you at first, they will be upset, but it will be better in the long run

Loyaultemelie · 11/03/2018 23:14

Your dd already recognises Daddy is rude and mean. Your dcs won't hate you, but you need to act now before this becomes the norm for them. Although it's hard for you to switch off his mental health going forward is not your responsibility but yours and that of your dcs is. Look into getting a support network built up such as women's aid and go.

Domino20 · 11/03/2018 23:14

Please leave. It's so bad for your children to see this behaviour. You are setting your children up to think this is normal and for lives that will reflect this normality when they're older. PLEASE LEAVE

FrozenMargarita17 · 11/03/2018 23:16

I've got one line in to your explanation of his behaviour and I'm screaming LTB already.

AmiU · 11/03/2018 23:17

I find it so difficult, my parents had an awful relationship so I feel like I have no idea of what 'normal' should even look like.

I hate myself for making the decisions that led me here, and now my DC will suffer either way.

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IlikemyTeahot · 11/03/2018 23:17

I haven't even got through the first paragraph yet but its enough to tell me this isnt going well. Please leave him x

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 11/03/2018 23:18

Your children might be angry at you but they won't hate you and they'll get over it in time. It took my older son maybe two years to see past the propoganda. My younger son was relieved, I think, and has never really enjoyed contact time with him.

You could ring Muslim Women's Network or Amina MWRC's helpline if you wanted to talk to someone who was likely to understand the concerns you raise that are specific to your background.

You definitely should leave as this is horrendous abuse. When you're stuck in the fog you describe, it's hard to imagine your future being free but I promise it's so much better.

If your family choose not to see you anymore, that would not be your fault and it would be out of your control to an extent but I do think things are changing and it's not such a stigma as it was.

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 11/03/2018 23:20

No childhood is free from temporary upset and change. Children move past it - they get over it.
What they find it hard to get over is seeing their mum abused - they love their mum and they want their mum to be happy and relaxed and able to express affection towards them.

KoshaMangsho · 11/03/2018 23:21

I am also South Asian. Leave. Leave. Leave. Run and don’t look back. Report the DV. Doesn’t matter if it’s historic. It doesn’t matter what kind of a mum you are (I am sure you are fab) but this is no environment for a child.
Have a look at Karma Nirvana. They might be able to help?

Festivecheeseandcrackers · 11/03/2018 23:24

As others have said, please leave. In addition to women's aid who I hear are brilliant, I've heard good things about this charity: www.karmanirvana.org.uk. They help women who are in arranged marriages. I'm not sure if yours is an arranged marriage but even if it's not, they will have the cultural understanding to offer support on that side of things and will have encountered women who have had similar cultural fears to yours.

TooManyMiles · 11/03/2018 23:24

I did not finish reading your post & I have not read the full thread but when I saw this,

"Without missing a bite, he just snarled 'what are you looking at, clean it up you fucking idiot",

I thought that you should LTB. I only think this would be wrong if this was just a terrible day, not his typical behaviour, and he apologised profusely.

Festivecheeseandcrackers · 11/03/2018 23:24

Cross posts with kosha

AngelaRuskin · 11/03/2018 23:27

You must leave.
Please

lolaflores · 11/03/2018 23:28

As a parent, you knock that fucker into a cocked hat! You have been a great mum and without him, an even better one.
When you go the only question you will have is why you didn't do it sooner.
You won't miss a community that doesn't value u. The rest of the world is waiting for you. You are skilled. Educated. Intelligent woman and you don't need permission from mumsnet to save yourself and kids from a piece of shit who isn't fit to kick the bottom of your shoe.
Do t question yourself. You o ow the answer.
The k yourself later. Your kids will too.
I am rooting for you baby. We all are.

Goldfishshoals · 11/03/2018 23:30

I know it seems so hard, but please leave, for the sake of your children. Do you want your son's to grow up thinking this behaviour is how they should treat people? Or your daughter's accepting a relationship like this when they grow up?

You can do this. It will be better if you do in the long run.

choccybiscuit · 11/03/2018 23:34

Your dc will suffer so much more if you stay with him.

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