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Help me MN, should I LTB

103 replies

AmiU · 11/03/2018 23:02

I am about aware that this is a ridiculous question to ask on MN, but I've had some great advice and some home truths here in the past.

I have been having such a hard time with my DH, I feel like I'm in a fog I can't see through. I darent tell anyone IRL half this stuff, so I hope someone might have had experience of this, and can help me.

Background: we've been married 7 1/2 yrs, dd5 and ds2.

Reasons to LTB:

  • He is fucking awful to me. Actually refers to me as his 'punching bag'. Feels absolutely no remorse for acting horribly. Example, last weekend, we went out for an activity as a family, all having a nice time. I was so happy. We sat down in the food court and he knocked his drink into my meal. I didn't say anything but must've looked upset. Without missing a bite, he just snarled 'what are you looking at, clean it up you fucking idiot' then went back to our day as if nothing had happened. This happens often. I'm so worried my DC will either think this is normal or hate me for this situation.
  • Won't lift a finger to help with the kids or the house. Can't cook a single meal, refuses any task related to the kitchen, laundry or bathroom. At the most he'll tidy (but not vacuum) the living room. Refuses to do a thing for kids (bedtime, bath, meals, diapers, school stuff) but will play with them sometimes. When we married I earned more than him. We had an argument about me going back to work, and he said 'you thought you were so clever, now your job is to clean my shit'
  • likes to belittle/ embarrass me in front of people. Again, really worried DC might pick up his nastiness.
  • although she loves him very much, and he would never dare lay a finger on her, DC are wary of him. DD5 has told my sister, my parents, her teacher and her best friend that daddy 'is mean and rude' to mummy
  • I hate myself a little more each day I stay

I know it sounds like a clear LTB but these are my secret fears/ problems that stop me:

  • we are both Pakistani. I'm not saying anything about Pakistanis in general, but in my experience of my own family/ community divorced women and their children are ostracised and become second class citizens. I've seen it happen to the children of my aunt when she left her husband. I don't want to do that to DC if I could help it. I think my parents would support me, but they would suffer themselves and I would be ostracised from the rest of the family.
  • I'm from a very average family, he's from a rich and influential family back home. I'd be scared to take the kids back or send them to him for visitation if he relocated. I have absolutely no family and few friends in this country. So if I stay here alone, no support system at all.
  • he's very charming and ruthless. I know he'd do his best to alienate DC from me. He already uses them to upset me. I couldn't bear if they went to live with him, without me even being able to protect them from him.
  • I won't bring up DV (he's hit me before), he's in the UK on a visa and would lose it, but if I don't he's likely to have part time custody. I also have no proof of DV and even right after he hit me, he'd say 'you must be insane, I've never touched you'. The only people who know are his parents, they obviously won't back me up.
  • I can go back to work but realistically I'll never earn much. How can I be a single parent with no support network? He's a high earner and although I don't get much and have to account for myself, he's very generous with the DC. Would they resent me for taking opportunities away from them? I know he would try to 'woo' them away with expensive gifts etc, as PIL already manipulate all their kids with wealth.
  • my pregnant sister is married to his younger brother. I might never see her again or might make her life a lot harder if BIL decides to take sides.
  • what if im a terrible single parent and scar my DC for life? What if they hate me for leaving? What if something happens to me after I destroy their family support network?
  • he has diagnosed MH issues and has been suicidal before. What if he spirals after I leave and DC blame me when they're old enough to understand?

I'm so sorry for the rambling post, just a million thoughts in my head and I can't seem to sort them into any order.

OP posts:
blackteasplease · 12/03/2018 10:04

You've had some wonderful advice on her, especially from other Pakistani women. I have little to add except to echo.please LTB. As a pp said, it will be hard but not ad hard as staying. Flowers

Laserbird16 · 12/03/2018 10:07

Please leave. Your children will be proud of you for protecting them from your abusive husband. They don't deserve to be afraid and see their mother belittled. You deserve a happy calm life, I don't know what will happen if you leave but if you stay it will just get worse.

snewsname · 12/03/2018 10:14

If you stay your children will be definitely damaged, will think that's a normal relationship, will learn to also treat you with no respect.
If you leave yes, your children might be damaged but they might also not be damaged, or at least less damaged than if you'd stayed.

I don't think you have a choice really do you? You've just got to get your head around actually doing it.

Bluelady · 12/03/2018 10:14

The things you describe made me feel sick. You absolutely have to leave him for your sake and your children's. I really hope he's deported, he's not the sort of person I want in my country.

And please follow the wonderful advice you've been given. Good luck.

snewsname · 12/03/2018 10:15

Is there help for women in your community, in your situation? There must be something as it's got to be a common problem.

wouldyoudo · 12/03/2018 10:17

LTB definitely

I'm not from Pakistani community. I can understand your fears about being viewed as less but honestly that's a million times better than what you're facing now.

Suppose the worst happened and you did lose family/friends... you would find yourself making new ones and a ton of support in other communities. As I say, not Pakistani but I did leave a community... don't stay in this relationship and expose your kids to it. It may be hard... it is possible though. There is support out there

Locotion · 16/03/2018 07:59

OP?? Are you OK? :(

backsackcraic · 16/03/2018 08:13

Leave, find the strength and courage you need and go, the children will be far happier they've already identified their father is an abuser.

justilou1 · 16/03/2018 08:15

Your question was, 'Should I leave him?' Your reason was 'He is fucking horrible to me"
That's all we need to know.
Yes.

dancinfeet · 16/03/2018 09:13

Leave him and take the children. If you have the power to get his visa revoked do it. No woman should have to put up with this

Fishface77 · 16/03/2018 09:18

THis has actually made me Cry.
Op you are worth so much more than this.
Leave him. Find support elsewhere.
Fuck him and fuck his visa.
Get him deported if you have to and don’t allow contact with the kids. If they travel to Pakistan you u will never get them back.

NewYearNewMe18 · 16/03/2018 09:22

Awful reading, dreadful.

We all know you should leave him but you have your ethnic background to consider.

What is the likelihood of honour based violence if you divorce him?

steppemum · 16/03/2018 09:27

He is fucking awful to me. Actually refers to me as his 'punching bag

I read this far and wondered why you needed the rest of the post?

You sound so unhappy and he sounds dreadful.

I totally understand the cultural hesitation, but I am willing to bet there is a community of women who have left violent husbdans in the pakistani community, women who you won't hear about until someone puts you in touch, and there you will find a group of peopel to support you.

Just imagine your children thinking that this is the way they should behave, or the behaviour they should accept to/from their wife/husband. You staying it teaching them that this is normal

Allthebestnamesareused · 16/03/2018 09:30

What everyone else said.

What really stood out for me is that your very young daughter is already aware!

Make a stand, leave - show her that women do not have to put up with this.

Your kids will respect you as they get older and realise why you left.

Troels · 16/03/2018 09:44

Report the DV he doesn't deserve a visa and he doesn't deserve to part of your lovely childrens upbringing. Do it for them, they don't need his crap as their example of what how a man treats a woman.

TooManyMiles · 16/03/2018 10:06

Forgive me if I have made any presumptions OP but I just found this helpline: www.mwnhelpline.co.uk/
If it is not the right one for you, they may be able to direct you to a more suitable one.

Use the fact that you are a British woman to give you the strength to say no to this awful man. He is counting in the bubble of your culture to protect him but you do not have to let him get away with this.

TooManyMiles · 16/03/2018 10:08

I meant by British, that here you have the right to live in peace without domestic violence and the law protects you in this.

You could make new friends and a new community.

HairyToity · 16/03/2018 10:11

Good luck.

HairyToity · 16/03/2018 10:13

A friend who left an abusive bastard took months in the planning stage, and left it till he was away on a stag do. Plan carefully.

GiveMyHeadPeaceffs · 16/03/2018 10:17

Really hope you're ok @AmiU?

Kitsharrington · 16/03/2018 10:46

LTB. And don’t ever let him take your children back to Pakistan for a holiday. EVER.

elisenbrunnen · 16/03/2018 10:55

Echo PPs - get their passports (if they have them) and their birth certificates. If they don't have them, I think there may be a way of notifying Passport Office if someone tries to get a passport in their names?

And if your dc has said that daddy is mean to mummy, you may find that the safeguarding team get involved. You need to show that you are protecting your children from violence at home. This includes verbal, physical, sexual and financial abuse.

Please look at getting out, any way you can. Your children will thank you, not hate you.

seedsofchocolate · 16/03/2018 10:59

Oh good grief you poor thing. I couldn't even read it all op.

This is such a grave situation for you and your children.

You must leave.

Fishface77 · 16/03/2018 11:06

For some reason I can’t get the site up but google Muslim woman’s helpline.
They will help.
Please get help. Don’t let the cultural issues stop you.
Unfortunately religion/race doesn’t always protect vulnerable members of society.

Bluesmartiesarebest · 16/03/2018 11:21

You've had some very good advice, op. I just wanted to add that threats of suicide is part of the script of an abuser. It's emotional blackmail to continue to exert control over you. Suicide would be his choice and his alone. Being brutally honest this type of man will never make getting rid of him so easy for you. He is far more likely to try to harm you than himself which is why you need help to keep yourself and your DC safe while you leave.