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AIBU to think Mumsnet need to revise their talk guidelines?

379 replies

abeautifulmess · 05/03/2018 15:43

I have reported a number of threads recently and the mumsnet response has been 'we don't allow posts that break our talk guidelines' and nothing has been done when the whole thread has been attacking a particular (and vulnerable) group.

AIBU to question these guidelines and how they are applied?

OP posts:
LineysInTheSnow · 05/03/2018 17:44

I've got trans friends who are infuriated by the whole TRA agenda

Me, too. Well, one good friend, one acquaintance. Their worlds are quite a bit shitter now because of TRAs. (And they loathe Momentum, interestingly.)

SpringEquinox · 05/03/2018 17:46

"I was genuinely interested in the general question of my original post and when someone asked for an example of a group 'trans' was what came to mind."

That is one of the most disingenuous sentences I have ever read on this forum.

Lovesagin · 05/03/2018 17:47

Op, and others, said threads, not posts.

Anyway, op has agreed to pm me to help get rid of transphobic threads.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 05/03/2018 17:51

Surely there can only be transphobic posts or opening posts

There can't be a transphobic thread as not everyone on the thread would be being transphobic

Or am I overthinking it

Or more likely under thinking it

abeautifulmess · 05/03/2018 17:52

Rufus you are not overthinking it - I just misspoke and used thread to mean opening post

OP posts:
Lovesagin · 05/03/2018 17:53

Exactly Rufus! Which is why I, and others, have been asking which threads op is referring to? They clearly said threads.

Lovesagin · 05/03/2018 17:55

Ah I see.

Even so, I've never seen any transphobic op's either Grin

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 05/03/2018 17:57

Im positive that there was an opening post the other day that was deleted

I think it was on the feminism board

Its the only one ive seen though

Or ive made it up...it happens

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 05/03/2018 18:00

The other day could be months ago

donquixotedelamancha · 05/03/2018 18:02

perhaps they could be redirected to a specific part of the forum or repetition of the same topics in quick succession could be moderated better

If something is an attach on individuals, it should be pulled; so for example there was a thread that got a bit personal and nasty about Lilly Madigan, and the thread went. The threshold for a private individual would be a lot lower. Similarly something saying (for example) 'all transvestites are criminals' would get pulled.

It's much more difficult when the comments are hostile, but discussing legitimate concerns. I think MN would be a hard place to be a trans-sexual right now, but I don't think that should close down legitimate discussion.

I think MN try hard to find a balance. I would also note that you can get away with saying far, far worse things about men as a class. This is because MN is a predominantly female space and people want to be able to vent about some pretty important topics.

Truscum · 05/03/2018 18:11

I think MN would be a hard place to be a trans-sexual right now

Speaking for myself, not particularly, in fact it’s my new favourite internet home. I’ve been hounded out of others for suggesting that only people with diagnosed gd should be considered as trans (I.e ‘Truscum’) and not just any cross dresser/chancer.

I’m allowed to say that here even if others disagree Grin

Still waiting for those links to the transphobic op’s and posts that are being left up by mn.

Is this going to be yet another disappointing thread where not one appears?

Buckingfrolicks · 05/03/2018 18:12

I am grateful that MN remains a place where these difficult, contentious and important issues can be discussed. I think MN gets it right in terms of what to delete, as far as I can tell.

I have never seen a transphobic post. I have read many many posts which have educated, frustrated, enlightened, and connected with me; sometimes all in one post!

My admiration for the posters who come back time and again to try and get facts, clarification and objectivity from the 'oooh look at the nasty Terf making Trans (women) feel horrible' posters, is enormous.

saoirsesoige · 05/03/2018 18:13

I think MN would be a hard place to be a trans-sexual right now

I'd say its a great place to be a trans-sexual. Not so much a trans activist, but then lots of trans people hate them as much as the rest of us do.

AnimalDaze · 05/03/2018 18:30

The thing is there have been a quite a few TRA's and MRA's invading this site, it wouldn't surprise me if some of the offensive posts you've seen OP we're TRA's trying to shut down the very pertinent discussions and implications of self ID. There are a lot of people out there who don't like women having a voice.

Xulishesthepilot · 05/03/2018 18:35

Convenient: TRAs pretending to be transphobic women. Not just transphobic women then. Yeah, that's probably the most likely explanation.

Idontdowindows · 05/03/2018 18:38

I've not seen anyone on this site who is transphobic.

JamPasty · 05/03/2018 18:38

I'm sure someone far more erudite has already said this, but in case not - what it seems like to me is that there are two issues here and men with an agenda are trying to conflate them so as to yet again suppress women (told you I'm not erudite).

Transexualism in the old-fashioned use of the word, ie people who for whatever reason want to live as the opposite sex (you can't change your sex, but you know what I mean). Many undergo medical treatment, surgery, get a GRC etc. I, and I suspect most of the people being accused on here of "transphobia", would have no issue sharing a bathroom with these people, calling them by their preferred name, using feminine pronouns for them. These people have a shite time of it from society and deserve support, compassion and protection.

Self-ID that allows any bloke that wants to, to call himself a woman and access women's spaces, while at the same time saying a bloke for all intents and purposes. I'll be damned if I'll class these people as the same as the above, but these blokes keep framing the debate in such a way that you are made out to be a transphobe if you oppose self-ID.

What I see in the trans threads on Mumsnet is people opposing the latter group and the negative effect self-ID will have on women's rights, and getting told that means they hate the former group. Which is not true because the two groups are not the same, no matter what the blokes in the latter group would have you believe.

In short, support your trans friends and family and don't fall for the paternalistic bullshit of the self-ID group.

Lovesagin · 05/03/2018 18:39

Truscum - no, one isn't going to appear Wink

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 05/03/2018 18:39

Not just transphobic women then.

Or men...

Xulishesthepilot · 05/03/2018 18:40

I've seen people literally admitting to being transphobic. Those comments have been deleted. I almost wish they hadn't been, at least then everyone would be able to see what's going on here.

Lovesagin · 05/03/2018 18:41

So they've been deleted? What's the problem then? Confused

Lovesagin · 05/03/2018 18:41

Apart from there being no proof of your claim,that is.

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 05/03/2018 18:41

And what is going on here?

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 05/03/2018 18:42

Apart from women discussing women’s rights issues, or are we not allowed to do that anymore?

Truscum · 05/03/2018 18:43

But we are being told it’s so rife on here you can’t move for the transphobia Xulishesthepilot!

Funny isn’t it? All these ‘transphobic’ posts being left to stand...and yet not one can be found or linked.

Ever, in any of the frankly too many discussions where this comes up.

I wouldn’t mind if one single person could link to one single post that is transphobic and has been left standing by mn.

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