AIBU to think Mumsnet need to revise their talk guidelines?

[abeautifulmess]

I have reported a number of threads recently and the mumsnet response has been 'we don't allow posts that break our talk guidelines' and nothing has been done when the whole thread has been attacking a particular (and vulnerable) group.

AIBU to question these guidelines and how they are applied?

If anyone can show me even one transphobic post on here then I will gladly donate £20 to a charity of their choice.

(I realise I'm pinching someone elses idea here but they only suggested donating £10 so I'm doubling the amount to see if that motivates people a bit more )

So @DailyMailReadersAreThick, @abeautifulmess, @dinosaursandtea, @DalekDalekDalek and others, all you have to do is show me one transphobic post and I'll donate. This shouldn't be too hard for any of you given that Mumsnet is so riddled with transphobia.

Come on guys, it's for charity .

The feminist threads are all going mental over the trans community- 'what's going to happen to women' etc etc. All the faux handwringing is tedious as fuck.

Can you articulate the concern some people have?

If anyone can show me even one transphobic post on here then I will gladly donate £20 to a charity of their choice.

X2

This was not what the original post was for, which, as I have said in previous posts, was not worded the way I would now choose if I were to write it again.

It is clear from lots of responses that people do feel that the guidelines are applied fairly. Thank you for responding. I don't see the need for multiple posts asking the same thing. It is hard to feel like the open discussions that pp talk about can actually occur when threads descend to this. I feel afraid of making any comments about what I think or suggesting any posts I have found troubling for fear of being shouted down or jumped on.

How does one 'faux handwring'? Is it where you're hands aren't really touching or you shout 'LOOK OVER THERE!' and claim suitable wringing of hands has occurred?

I feel afraid of making any comments about what I think or suggesting any posts I have found troubling for fear of being shouted down or jumped on

Really? Not the impression I’m getting at all. In fact people are desperate and offering money to a charity of your choice if you can point out the transphobic/troubling posts?

Myself now included.

OP and @minimum I agree completely! Good on you for asking this question that needed to be asked.

I also agree that it's made it very difficult to enjoy perusing the feminist forums any more.

Internet anonymity often has a lot to answer for.

OP you've ignored the members of the trans community who have refuted your opinion and you now want to step away for fear of being jumped on. My child at 13 had to delete every online presence they had due to abuse by trans rights activists. An actual trans person who you claim to be supportive of. A child in desperate need of support found only disgusting abuse and you feel scared to post your opinion? Forgive me but you really need to clue yourself up on what is actually happening here before you post about it.

In what way, MaggieMay? I've found the opposite actually - that the Feminist Chat board in particular has become much more explanatory.

But wappers you don't anything about me and whether I am a member of that community or have family members that are. Throughout this thread I have tried to bring things back to my OP. If you read all my posts I have tried not to comment about my own experiences and opinions.

People talk about adult discussions, but it isn't an adult discussion to make jokes about looking under sofas or pigeons etc. It isn't a safe space to talk about emotive topics if people respond so aggressively (my choice of word as that's how it feels - I appreciate that might not be how other people interpret it or mean it).

I feel afraid of making any comments about what I think or suggesting any posts I have found troubling for fear of being shouted down or jumped on.

The worst that could happen, and it won't, is that you get called names. You're anonymous here, so how will that hurt you? If you genuinely think there is an issue here on mumsnet that people need to see and be aware of, then for gods sake tell people. I oppose self-ID, but I support people who are transexual (see my above discussion of the difference), so if the people I am standing alongside in the anti-self-ID camp are saying things that are transphobic, I want to know about it.

And no, you're right, my sofa comment wasn't very adult, and for that I appologise

Adult discussions involve all kinds of responses. You don't get to police that if they are not abusive. Quite honestly, responding with humour is sometimes the best option.

I've found the opposite actually - that the Feminist Chat board in particular has become much more explanatory.
Agree.
When I first went on there it was like an assumed body of knowledge.
Now people have realised they need to be very clear with their issues to avoud people (like me at first) thinking their trans issues were issues with normal trans folk rather than the worrying TRA fanatics.

It isn't a safe space to talk about emotive topics
That's the go to for TRAs.
Someone disagrees with me - not a safe
space
Someone has a different view to me - no platform no debate

I think if you think this thread is aggressive you haven’t met or read any transrights activists stuff.

I was told that my husband and I should be locked in a room and set on fire.

That was for saying the truth, that though I am indeed ‘truscum’ I am still very much a biological male and that should be taken in to account. And that I believe that is the truth for all ‘trans’.

Now that I found a tad aggressive.

Someone disagreeing with me, asking that I provide evidence for any repeated assertions that I make that they do not believe and (shock horror) joking about a sofa and a pigeon...not so much.

@truscum what repeated assertions have I made?

I'm not sure why some people talking about things that interest them is such a problem Bumdishcloths. I find the constant MIL threads tedious as fuck, but I just don't open them.

Actually I find it horrifying how women are being shut down in debate

My daughter is a lesbian I have a vested interest in her future as a female I educate her on what happens in the world mumsnet is one resource I use for this

@abeautifulmess Keep going, you have a good point xx

But what is that point? Without abeautifulmess letting us know which posts were meant by suggesting any posts I have found troubling, how can we have a discussion?

Yanbu, i don't come on here as often as i used to anymore because of someone of the things i've read that 'don't break guidelines'

As I'm sure you're very aware the OP cannot mention any of your other post without this one being deleted. Threads about threads are deleted.

abeautifulmess that bit wasn’t directed at you in particular, more about some of the assertions of apparent transphobia present and not removed by current guidelines.

Of course the OP can. Treads about a specific thread are banned, but you can quote posts from other threads - people do it loads