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To send my daughter to boarding school?

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Salouport · 03/03/2018 12:42

I feel sick....and please be gentle as I don’t know where to turn and I haven’t eaten for days out of worry.
My daughter is the eldest of four. She along with her brother is from my first marriage, and I had another two children when I remarried. My dd1 has always had good contact with her dad, who is in a solid relationship with a lovely lady who has no children. DD1 also has a fairly good relationship with step dad, although in her view, we are probably more “strict” than she would like. She is in her first year of 6th form and is doing very well academically. She also competes at a national level in sport (won’t say which one as it might “out” me.)
She has always had a problem with telling a “tall story” and lying in order to get out of trouble. Things such as lying about her whereabouts, or why was late home etc. Obviously I know that lots of teenagers do this, and it is a part of growing up. She is a bit of a drama queen, and has managed to make several “storm in a tea-cup” type situations over the past couple of years. She is fairly good at making new friends and maintaining her friendships. She thrives on new experiences.
The problem is that she got a job when she turned 16, and through that she has been introduced to a crowd of people, and in particular a boy, who have encouraged her to make some really silly decisions. She has been caught lying to get her own way (like saying she is studying at a friends house, when in fact she has been working a late night shift...we want to follow the school’s guidelines roughly about the number of hours a week a sixth former works, as ultimately, her education is the most important thing, and she is very keen to go to uni). Again, this has caused an argument, but nothing more than I guess being held across most households with 16 year old girls.
The boy comes from a very unstable background and lives at home with no boundaries whatsoever. Dd loves spending time there, and gets on with his family, including his sister who is about 20. There are lots of siblings in the house, many of whom dont work, but have children...it’s all just chaotic.
A few months ago, Dd dropped a grade and I was asked to the school to discuss, which I did. I was asked about changes at home, which there wasn’t, but I mentioned the boyfriend and discovered he was an ex pupil. I was basically told that the teachers felt that he would not be a good influence on her, due to the unmotivated and chaotic lifestyle the family have. I discussed this with Dd, but I respect her decisions to chose her own friends, and I think that it’s good to mix with a variety of types of people.
Strange things continue to happen, such as the boyfriend sleeping in his car outside the house all night, and him continually trying to get her to move in with him....
A few weeks ago the boyfriend had a couple of “seizures” at work. No previous history of things like that. He was blue lighted to hospital on both occasions, but nothing has shown up on any tests yet. I strongly suspect that these seizures were faked, due to the timings of them (both at the start of dd’s half term / end of term), so I think he had thoughts of her spending time with him, and he also wanted to “test” to see if she would accompany him to hospital. He is very needy.
After these episodes, we spoke to Dd about not travelling in his car, as he would not be insured until the reasons for his seizures have been fully investigated. She promised she wouldn’t.
Last Sunday, she was caught by chance getting into his car, by her step father. He sent him on his way and sent Dd into the house. I decided to drive to the boyfriends house to try to explain our reasons. I have been driving the pair of them about myself, and driving Dd to his house, and she’s got the bus on occasion, so this was not a way of getting them to stop seeing each other.
Once I arrived at the house, I had barely started talking and I was being called by my husband to return home immediately. The boyfriend and one of his sisters were standing in the street outside our home screaming that our Dd was being held against her will, they were concerned for her safety and the police had been called. He then calls again, saying that they were shouting out that my husband had abused my daughter.....
I get home, husband had managed to get rid of them, and they were sitting having a calm conversation. The abuse thing was an utter lie, which Dd had confided into the sister in. The only truthful aspect of it was when she asked my husband if her backside looked big in some leggings she wore, he commented that it looked big. I KNOW this was an inappropriate response, it was several months ago, and it does not constitute sexual abuse. The police came round, we’re surprised to see us having a calm chat, rather than having her tied up somewhere. They told us the family were “known” and they had a fondness for calling ambulances and the police on a regular basis. Part of the conversation involved moving forward, and it was agreed that Dd should go and spend time with her dad.
After the police had gone, my husband broke down and sobbed. He was distraught that the girl he has loved and bought up from 4 could make these allegations, and probably did so in order to get her own way. She was told she was loved, but all need some time.
She has now been with her dad for a week. It’s been the worst week of both our lives. He has a job which means he is away 3-4 nights a week, and his girlfriend, although lovely, is not sure she can deal with my Dd. It is an hour bus ride to school (but her dad has been driving her in) but she feels isolated from her friends. I am not too bothered about the fact that she’s had a miserable week, she made up a malicious sexual abuse allegation, for which she needs to see the consequences of.
There is no way she can return home here for a while. The police, her school, and social services (who closed the case after a five minute call) all agree that she needs to be away from her step dad for a period of time.
We are therefore stuck. Obviously she wants to live with the boyfriend which won’t happen, and even she recognises that it would not be good in the long run. She has managed to alienate a lot of her friends due to attention seeking behaviour since being with the boy, so she can’t stay with them.
My brother works in an international boarding school in Denmark, and has offered to proxy-parent her if she were to attend. I’ve mentioned the prospect to her and she seems keen. She loves new experiences, and she feels that she could “start afresh”. Although she would “lose” her first year of A levels, she would instead study the IB, an alternative, which would in fact open more doors for her. Family travel to Denmark often, and we live very close to an airport with cheap flights, so she could return home twice monthly if she wanted to.
I just don’t know what to do? She’s a lovely girl, whom I tell daily that I love, but she has lost her way. Strangely, it does not seem to bother her being away from the boyfriend in order to go to Denmark, but she desperately does not want to change schools to one nearer her dad.
Thank you for reading. I feel utterly utterly shit.

OP posts:
SockMobster · 03/03/2018 18:40

@milliemolliemou Yes, several times as certain things do not make sense.

  1. The OP not having a serious chat with her daughter about what has happened yet
  2. The OP (and everyone else) advising removal of DD from the house when it now is clear she may not have even made a false allegation of sexual abuse at all (it may have just been a conversation around what the OP has termed herself an inappropriate comment).
  3. Why the OPs DH went from "having a calm chat" to visibly distressed when the police turned up (and not when the accusations were being made) - perhaps it was just that it only just hit him what was happening, but I still can't see how he was calm when their DD was there and the accusations were being made, but panicked when the police turned up - sorry this does ring alarm bells for me. If someone had accused you of sexually abusing them, would you be sitting in the same room having a calm chat with them?
  4. The fact that no therapy has yet to be arranged for the DD a week on.
  5. That sending the DD to a foreign country for a fresh start when there's this much going on (and I do agree with fresh starts in most cases) is even being considered. The OP has blamed her daughter for making a false allegation of sexual abuse and then has come back and said "he “twisting” of this fact into an allegation of abuse happened either by Dd during a conversation with the sister of the boyfriend, or by the sister of the boyfriend herself" ie. they don't know. They OP doesn't seem to care stating "Either way, it was malicious, and did not warrant my husband being screamed at in the street outside of our home that he was a “child sex abuser” - seriously why blame your DD for something this serious when it may not even be her that has done it?

Surely anyone would want to get the facts before making any further decision, and any parent would want to get their child support in this case.

crunchymint · 03/03/2018 18:42

But DD did not make false allegations against DPs OP. She was truthful, It was the bfs family who turned up outside the door to shout about DH being a child abuser.

Op you and putting your DP first not your DD. And yes I do judge you for that.

MrsElvis · 03/03/2018 18:45

Don't feel shit, you're doing everything you can. Let her go, it will be the making of her

DarthArts · 03/03/2018 18:45

She hadn't been "banned"@crunchymint

She's spend the week with her father (so hardly chucked out on the street) to give everyone some breathing space - a decision the OP said DD was party to.

The issue as I see it is that coming home has some serious ramifications where it gives the BF and family to turn up the pressure on her moving in with them.

Given how they've chosen to fulfil that agenda to date, it's understandably daunting to think about the consequences of that escalating further. Not just for DD but all the family. Remember the OP has a duty of care not just to her DD but all 3 children.

However staying with her DF doesn't appear to be a long term option (his work, her changing schools mid A Levels).

Yet the most important point here is that the DD WANTS to go to Denmark.

If she didn't my advice would be different.

It sounds like she is a bright child and I'd put good money on her realising this is a great opportunity for her to get her life back on track, with the bonus of re-opening the door to studying medicine she'd thought to be closed.

I'd guess this incident has shaken her too and she's starting to realise how toxic her BF and family are. This gives her a blameless out with the added incentive of a fantastic academic opportunity.

crunchymint · 03/03/2018 18:46

Yes she has been banned. OP has said she will not have her back in her house.

heateallthebuns · 03/03/2018 18:46

If she wants to go it seems a very good option, hopefully she'll make lots of new friends and forget about the boyfriend. It'll be a great experience for her experiencing a different culture and she'll have her uncle looking after her.

SockMobster · 03/03/2018 18:49

OP why are your friends against this situation - what reasons have they given?

DarthArts · 03/03/2018 18:52

Where has said she's not allowed back?

She said she can't return home for "a while". Not that she's banned from the house.

crunchymint · 03/03/2018 18:58

I thought she said that her DD can not return home at all.

crunchymint · 03/03/2018 18:58

Not above, but in follow up comments

Slanetylor · 03/03/2018 19:00

If I was so worried that my neighbours had heard the sex abuse allegations I wouldn't be shipping away my daughter to give the rumours credance. If your dh is worried about his reputation this is not the way to restore it.

TatianaLarina · 03/03/2018 19:09

What the neighbours say is irrelevant. The priority is DD’s wellbeing.

JaneEyre70 · 03/03/2018 19:18

OP does it not tell you something that your friends aren't agreeing with you? You aren't dealing with any of this whatsoever. You can't ship the problem off to Denmark and forget it. What example are you setting to all of your children? I think you and your ex need to sit down with her on neutral ground without your partners and have a serious talk about where to go from here.

TatianaLarina · 03/03/2018 19:25

I disagree, I think there’s a lot to be said for taking her out of the situation. The family can have a serious talks as well. The fact that she’s keen speaks volumes. I like the fact that it might give her a second shot at medicine, or chemistry at the very least.

crunchymint · 03/03/2018 19:34

She needs to come home.
THEN talk about the boarding school.

Salouport · 03/03/2018 19:37

For further clarity:

  1. I have spoken at length for hours with my daughter about this, in person, on the phone and via text message. To the point where she has begged to stop talking about it. She maintains that she told her boyfriends sister that her dad’s comments made her feel uncomfortable, and they discussed together how this could be seen as sexual abuse. This is what she told her dad during the “calm” conversation I came home to, what I believe she told the police when she was interviewed in a separate room in our house, and what she told the school. This was then “twisted / escalated” into my husband being screamed at outside his own house, followed by the police rocking up. In my update I also added that upon viewing of her phone, it appeared that there was an element of planning involved. However, due to the fact that Dd has lied multiple times, I have no idea whether she exaggerated the “abuse” to the sister, or whether the sister did it to the police. Dd maintains the sister did it, but the police said the reason for them being called was due to the fact the family were so concerned for dd (and her sibling’s safety) - implying that that dd’s disclosure was more than just about a comment.
  2. Nobody advised Dd was removed from the house. The police left knowing that Dd was going to be here that night. They thought it a good idea to give everybody space. It was certainly not in order to protect my Dd.
  3. When I returned home, Dd and my husband were chatting calmly. That is not to say he wasn’t shaken up. There was no shouting, and the reason for my choice of words in the op was to provide context as the police were expecting to turn up to Dd being held against her wishes (as she had been stopped getting in the car which the bf and his sister were not happy about). He did however become emotional when we had to provide the names DOB’s and schools of the other three children, and talk of social services started. This is because it is a million miles away from anything we have been through before.
  4. therapy has been arranged through the school, it was the day afterwards when I met with them. We are also researching private therapists which would happen sooner.
  5. I am not blaming her. I am trying to help her. She is insisting that she keeps seeing this boy, and if she returned home (I said this would not happen in the near future, not never), she would still be under the control of the family, and I am genuinely worried that if she or the family pulled the same stunt again, it would have far more serious consequences than a knock on the door from the police. I asked her this evening (and so did her step mum, separately) what she would have said about going to Denmark if this whole mess hadn’t have happened, and she responded to both of us that she would have said she wanted to go, as it is a real opportunity to study in Europe and experience a different culture. My brother is head of department in the school and would be able to keep very close tabs. He would also be able to provide a bolt hole within Denmark if she wanted to get away from campus but not come home, eg, just for an evening. The vast majority of friends and family think it would be the making of her. The couple of friends who don’t agree, argue that she should be allowed home straight away and if my husband doesnt like it, he should leave. The reason for my op was to gauge a wider opinion on this. The comment about her being given away by her step dad, I think was to gauge whether he was “thawing” in terms of what’s happened. He definetly has, and in time, provided she stops lying and doesn’t make further accusations, I’m sure all will be fine.
OP posts:
Slanetylor · 03/03/2018 19:39

Yes, bring her home. Wrap her tightly in the love of her family. Is she missing her brothers and sisters? Go on a mini trip somewhere childish that she loves and show her that her place is within the family.

SockMobster · 03/03/2018 19:41

"She maintains that she told her boyfriends sister that her dad’s comments made her feel uncomfortable, and they discussed together how this could be seen as sexual abuse"

It really doesn't sound like she was the one making the allegation.

I'm going to leave this thread but wish your daughter all the best, she's clearly going through a very crappy time.

crunchymint · 03/03/2018 19:42

Yes she should come home straight away and then go to boarding school. She is going to feel insecure and unloved otherwise. whatever she says.

Salouport · 03/03/2018 19:47

If she went to boarding school in August, I very much would hope that she came home first, but this would depend upon the state of the relationship with the toxic family

OP posts:
seagulltargetpractice · 03/03/2018 20:05

If she comes home she'll see the boy (and his family), I don't really understand why people aren't seeing that. Of course home should be best place for her, but at the moment it isn't.

LanaorAna2 · 03/03/2018 20:08

She wants out, send her to Denmark. But get her home first to clear the air - well, as much as you can, it will take time. When relations are warm, onto the plane.

The other family have tried to split you up - don't let them. Especially not by pulling a Jeremy Kyle, that would make fools of you all.

Hairyfairy01 · 03/03/2018 20:08

If she, your dh and her dad are in agreement I would send her straight away. It’s not like she doesn’t want to go.

TatianaLarina · 03/03/2018 20:17

There’s clearly part of her that wants to get out of this situation.

Frazzled2207 · 03/03/2018 20:27

If she's keen and you trust your brother to keep an eye on her I think it sounds like a good idea.

I'm not entirely sure what your husband has done wrong though. Yes he said something a bit silly but nothing serious IMO.

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