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To send my daughter to boarding school?

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Salouport · 03/03/2018 12:42

I feel sick....and please be gentle as I don’t know where to turn and I haven’t eaten for days out of worry.
My daughter is the eldest of four. She along with her brother is from my first marriage, and I had another two children when I remarried. My dd1 has always had good contact with her dad, who is in a solid relationship with a lovely lady who has no children. DD1 also has a fairly good relationship with step dad, although in her view, we are probably more “strict” than she would like. She is in her first year of 6th form and is doing very well academically. She also competes at a national level in sport (won’t say which one as it might “out” me.)
She has always had a problem with telling a “tall story” and lying in order to get out of trouble. Things such as lying about her whereabouts, or why was late home etc. Obviously I know that lots of teenagers do this, and it is a part of growing up. She is a bit of a drama queen, and has managed to make several “storm in a tea-cup” type situations over the past couple of years. She is fairly good at making new friends and maintaining her friendships. She thrives on new experiences.
The problem is that she got a job when she turned 16, and through that she has been introduced to a crowd of people, and in particular a boy, who have encouraged her to make some really silly decisions. She has been caught lying to get her own way (like saying she is studying at a friends house, when in fact she has been working a late night shift...we want to follow the school’s guidelines roughly about the number of hours a week a sixth former works, as ultimately, her education is the most important thing, and she is very keen to go to uni). Again, this has caused an argument, but nothing more than I guess being held across most households with 16 year old girls.
The boy comes from a very unstable background and lives at home with no boundaries whatsoever. Dd loves spending time there, and gets on with his family, including his sister who is about 20. There are lots of siblings in the house, many of whom dont work, but have children...it’s all just chaotic.
A few months ago, Dd dropped a grade and I was asked to the school to discuss, which I did. I was asked about changes at home, which there wasn’t, but I mentioned the boyfriend and discovered he was an ex pupil. I was basically told that the teachers felt that he would not be a good influence on her, due to the unmotivated and chaotic lifestyle the family have. I discussed this with Dd, but I respect her decisions to chose her own friends, and I think that it’s good to mix with a variety of types of people.
Strange things continue to happen, such as the boyfriend sleeping in his car outside the house all night, and him continually trying to get her to move in with him....
A few weeks ago the boyfriend had a couple of “seizures” at work. No previous history of things like that. He was blue lighted to hospital on both occasions, but nothing has shown up on any tests yet. I strongly suspect that these seizures were faked, due to the timings of them (both at the start of dd’s half term / end of term), so I think he had thoughts of her spending time with him, and he also wanted to “test” to see if she would accompany him to hospital. He is very needy.
After these episodes, we spoke to Dd about not travelling in his car, as he would not be insured until the reasons for his seizures have been fully investigated. She promised she wouldn’t.
Last Sunday, she was caught by chance getting into his car, by her step father. He sent him on his way and sent Dd into the house. I decided to drive to the boyfriends house to try to explain our reasons. I have been driving the pair of them about myself, and driving Dd to his house, and she’s got the bus on occasion, so this was not a way of getting them to stop seeing each other.
Once I arrived at the house, I had barely started talking and I was being called by my husband to return home immediately. The boyfriend and one of his sisters were standing in the street outside our home screaming that our Dd was being held against her will, they were concerned for her safety and the police had been called. He then calls again, saying that they were shouting out that my husband had abused my daughter.....
I get home, husband had managed to get rid of them, and they were sitting having a calm conversation. The abuse thing was an utter lie, which Dd had confided into the sister in. The only truthful aspect of it was when she asked my husband if her backside looked big in some leggings she wore, he commented that it looked big. I KNOW this was an inappropriate response, it was several months ago, and it does not constitute sexual abuse. The police came round, we’re surprised to see us having a calm chat, rather than having her tied up somewhere. They told us the family were “known” and they had a fondness for calling ambulances and the police on a regular basis. Part of the conversation involved moving forward, and it was agreed that Dd should go and spend time with her dad.
After the police had gone, my husband broke down and sobbed. He was distraught that the girl he has loved and bought up from 4 could make these allegations, and probably did so in order to get her own way. She was told she was loved, but all need some time.
She has now been with her dad for a week. It’s been the worst week of both our lives. He has a job which means he is away 3-4 nights a week, and his girlfriend, although lovely, is not sure she can deal with my Dd. It is an hour bus ride to school (but her dad has been driving her in) but she feels isolated from her friends. I am not too bothered about the fact that she’s had a miserable week, she made up a malicious sexual abuse allegation, for which she needs to see the consequences of.
There is no way she can return home here for a while. The police, her school, and social services (who closed the case after a five minute call) all agree that she needs to be away from her step dad for a period of time.
We are therefore stuck. Obviously she wants to live with the boyfriend which won’t happen, and even she recognises that it would not be good in the long run. She has managed to alienate a lot of her friends due to attention seeking behaviour since being with the boy, so she can’t stay with them.
My brother works in an international boarding school in Denmark, and has offered to proxy-parent her if she were to attend. I’ve mentioned the prospect to her and she seems keen. She loves new experiences, and she feels that she could “start afresh”. Although she would “lose” her first year of A levels, she would instead study the IB, an alternative, which would in fact open more doors for her. Family travel to Denmark often, and we live very close to an airport with cheap flights, so she could return home twice monthly if she wanted to.
I just don’t know what to do? She’s a lovely girl, whom I tell daily that I love, but she has lost her way. Strangely, it does not seem to bother her being away from the boyfriend in order to go to Denmark, but she desperately does not want to change schools to one nearer her dad.
Thank you for reading. I feel utterly utterly shit.

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Allthewaves · 03/03/2018 15:37

Boarding school without a doubt asap.

1Strawberry · 03/03/2018 15:37

I think let her go. I moved to a far away country in my early twenties and it was invaluable to me in disentangling myself from an ex who I was still unhealthily close to causing a lot of heart ache. It gave me perspective and time to think and there is a lot to be said about completely removing yourself from a temptation.. I'm sure you would miss her so much but a period of absence might improve her appreciation of you and therefore your relationship..

Troels · 03/03/2018 15:38

It sounds like a good option for your Dd, she is willing to go to this new school, then do it.
Before she leaves I'd take her out alone and have a chat about it being a fresh start for her schooling where she won't have the reputation of being with the unstble boyfriend and telling lies, and that this is a good time for her to reinvent herself as a new much nicer person.

Fraying · 03/03/2018 15:41

Darth I agree. That's why OP's understanding seems flawed or deliberately skewed. I was hoping she could clarify. I don't understand how 3 authorities could suggest removal from the house but not include the other DCs, or/and at the same time recommend removal but say they were happy it was an unfounded allegation. It doesn't make sense.
If her OP had focused on a teen DD going off the rails, then disclosing abuse, then retracting that accusation, I think the response would have been very different.
OP focused attention on the 'chaotic' bf rather than give detail or credence to what is going on at home; the stage of the investigation and why three agencies considered removal from the house to be the appropriate step.

LanaorAna2 · 03/03/2018 15:42

If she wants to go, I'd already have packed her bag. Agree with everyone that she wants to go to get away from her new friends, which kills two birds with one stone.

She's not the most important person here - your DH's welfare is at least equal, as is everyone else's in the house. DD's behaved like a prize arsehole. Best wishes to you all for the peace and time you need to heal.

seagulltargetpractice · 03/03/2018 15:44

Oh lord, she sounds a lot like me at that age. I was so into a boy from a troubled background, he lived in a shared house for teenagers aged 16+ that had nowhere else to go. I'd honestly have told this boy anything to get attention from him, including making up lies about my (perfectly lovely) family. At that age I wouldn't have even thought about the greater impact of those lies - I just wanted the boy.

Now, luckily for me the boy in my case had a shred of decency, and very gently detached from me (I think he could see how bonkers I was getting). And he eventually left my sixth form altogether to go to work, so my contact with him was minimal after that. I was damn lucky, because I was stupid and naive and would've made a complete fool of myself for him.

As for your daughter? So long as this boy is around and interested in her he will lead her a merry dance. His family set up is dramatic and therefore alluring. She might think she can rescue him from it. She has already created her own drama to ingratiate herself with them. If she's keen to go to Denmark then I'd get her there ASAP. One day she'll look back and see she's had a lucky escape.

Beeziekn33ze · 03/03/2018 15:46

Salouport - it sounds as if the boarding school in Denmark provides a good opportunity for your daughter and everyone else to have a breather and take stock of the situation. I hope it works out well for all of you.

TatianaLarina · 03/03/2018 15:48

OP have you ever discussed this ‘abuse’ with DD? The nature of it, timings, and if false why she made it up?

DD apparently confided in her bf’s sister?

TatianaLarina · 03/03/2018 15:49

Did DD confirm that? Or was the sister lying?

Beanteam · 03/03/2018 15:50

Has she visited the boarding school. That would be an idea so she can decide yes, it's what she wants or no if it's not.
It gives her an opportunity to get away from boyfriend without her actually having to 'reject' him and risk some nasty behaviour or threats from him and/or his family.

SockMobster · 03/03/2018 15:51

Can I just ask all of you who automatically assume that the DD lied because she retracted the allegation - if a person admitted child abuse and then later retracted their confession, would you also assume that their retraction bore more weight than their original statement?

AnimalBrain · 03/03/2018 15:59

Shocked at how quickly people are willing to accept the abuse as lies and are totally behind packing her off without delving any deeper into it.

Boarding school itself, yeah why not-she wants to go.
Boarding school after allegations like this, no way. Imagine how outcast she’ll feel if it really happened!?

DullAndOld · 03/03/2018 16:07

sounds like a plan, tbh x

Ledkr · 03/03/2018 16:12

Abso fucking lutely I'd let her go. I was her at that age and ended up with an absolute arse of a bloke and two kids (and several broken bones) before I saw sense.
Very telling that she wants to go too.

JaneEyre70 · 03/03/2018 16:29

AnimalBrain agree wholeheartedly. Something isn't adding up here at all.

Dungeondragon15 · 03/03/2018 16:41

Shocked at how quickly people are willing to accept the abuse as lies and are totally behind packing her off without delving any deeper into it.

I think that she confided in her sister that it was a lie. I'm not behind "packing her off" but I think it would be good for her to get away even if the allegations are true. I don't think OP should "tell her off" about lying though.

crunchymint · 03/03/2018 16:44

Children often allege abuse and then retract and say it was a lie, even if it was true.

OP why can your DD not come home?

Catkins0877 · 03/03/2018 16:47

Nothing in life is permanent.Send her see if it works out if not take her home again:) sounds all very harrowing for all involved:( best of luck.

crunchymint · 03/03/2018 16:51

But that is the issue catkins OP is saying her DD can not come home. I want to know why.

Whowhatwhy · 03/03/2018 16:58

Do you know/have you calmly discussed with her why she accused her step dad? I would be worried, as a mum, if my child made such an accusation- even if I doubted its validity. Why would she say that? Be really careful of taking the line "once a liar, always a liar". What was it that convinced SS there was no truth in it so quickly?

TatianaLarina · 03/03/2018 17:00

It’s ambiguous, which is why asked.

OP said:

The abuse thing was an utter lie, which Dd had confided into the sister

It could mean that DD confessed to the sister of the bf that it was a lie, or it could mean that DD confessed of the abuse to the sister which OP claims was a lie.

Whowhatwhy · 03/03/2018 17:01

She's not the most important person here - your DH's welfare is at least equal

I totally disagree with this. At 16 your dd is a child. Your child. You are responsible for her welfare. Your dh is an adult. He is not your responsibility.

TatianaLarina · 03/03/2018 17:01

Why I asked. ^

TatianaLarina · 03/03/2018 17:03

‘The’ sister rather than ‘her’ sister implies OP is referring to the boyfriend’s sister. But nothing about that sentence is clear.

Salouport · 03/03/2018 17:11

Sorry, was at a children’s birthday party with my youngest Dd.
For clarity:
Dd is the oldest of 4 children. She has two brothers, aged 12 and 10, and a sister aged 5. The oldest two children are from my first marriage, the younger two are from my second, and my husband and I have bought up the children together since dd1 was 4. First husband buggered off soon after Ds was born. First husband has always been around for his children, but kind of on “his terms”. On the whole all four adults responsible for the eldest two agree with the vast majority of decisions made.
The disclosure was made to the sister of the boyfriend, fairly recently. Obviously I was not a part of the conversation but the police did tell me that after Dd was interviewed by them alone, the incident described (telling her her backside looked big when she asked), although inappropriate, was not sexual abuse. The “twisting” of this fact into an allegation of abuse happened either by Dd during a conversation with the sister of the boyfriend, or by the sister of the boyfriend herself. Either way, it was malicious, and did not warrant my husband being screamed at in the street outside of our home that he was a “child sex abuser”. There were no other incidents referred to. Just the comment, but it was interpreted as sexual abuse, and my highly intelligent Dd would be in no doubt that that comment was not sexually abusive. It is highly probable that there was a degree of planning involved with this, in order to get Dd to move in with the family. Her phone was looked at, and messages between the two of them suggest that, although I doubt that even Dd would not have wanted the events to unfold as dramatically as they did.
I too was surprised that the school disclosed the information they did about the family to me, and I agree this was a breech of confidentiality. Nevertheless, this was not my error, and the information they told me I had worked out independently anyway, due to the conversations I have had with my Dd about the family.
The police also told me that the family were “known” and they live in a village close to our small town in which everybody knows everybody, and it did not take many enquiries to find out about the family.
Dd is very very driven to do well. She has been lucky enough to have some privileges that not all of her peers have had, but we have not spoiled them. Both she and her brother were amongst the last of their year group to get mobile phones. She knows that to succeed you need to work hard, and she needs a good job. She was considering medicine, but narrowly missed the A* in chemistry that her school insisted she required to study it at A level. I think part of the draw to Denmark for her is the IB would reopen that possibility for her (but I am not putting any pressure on her about that whatsoever, that’s the last thing she needs).
IF she went to Denmark, she could start the course at the start of August, giving her a month to decide if she liked it. If it was a disaster she could return home and we would think again, and it would not affect her A levels.
The bf is totally besotted with her, and to be fair, has treated her nicely. He went to a great effort to buy all family members Christmas presents for example...I just think that he wants her living in with him and his family, and it has definetly crossed my mind, that he would pressure her to “accidentally” get pregnant in order to secure a place in her future. I’m certain that due to dd’s ambition, he has not managed to convince her, but the more time he spends with her, the more chance this would happen. I agree with PP that Dd would see going to Denmark as a kind way to break with him, as she could justify it with reasons relating to study.
The reason that the police said that a break would be good, I’m sure was for the benefit of my husband who was in visible shock after the allegation. The school and social services merely agreed when I recounted the events to them. There is no way that the other children are in any danger from my husband, but there is a very real danger that should she come home soon, either she, or the bf’s family will make up other allegations about his conduct with the younger children, for which the repercussions would be horrific. Indeed, one of the comments screamed outside our house was “there’s a baby in there!!”
We would consider counselling for her, and I would take her to visit the school first. Importantly, my daughter knows she is loved...she asked me this morning if she had blown her chances of her step dad eventually giving her away on her wedding day!

Sorry for the disjointed post, I’m just remembering all the queeries.

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