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To send my daughter to boarding school?

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Salouport · 03/03/2018 12:42

I feel sick....and please be gentle as I don’t know where to turn and I haven’t eaten for days out of worry.
My daughter is the eldest of four. She along with her brother is from my first marriage, and I had another two children when I remarried. My dd1 has always had good contact with her dad, who is in a solid relationship with a lovely lady who has no children. DD1 also has a fairly good relationship with step dad, although in her view, we are probably more “strict” than she would like. She is in her first year of 6th form and is doing very well academically. She also competes at a national level in sport (won’t say which one as it might “out” me.)
She has always had a problem with telling a “tall story” and lying in order to get out of trouble. Things such as lying about her whereabouts, or why was late home etc. Obviously I know that lots of teenagers do this, and it is a part of growing up. She is a bit of a drama queen, and has managed to make several “storm in a tea-cup” type situations over the past couple of years. She is fairly good at making new friends and maintaining her friendships. She thrives on new experiences.
The problem is that she got a job when she turned 16, and through that she has been introduced to a crowd of people, and in particular a boy, who have encouraged her to make some really silly decisions. She has been caught lying to get her own way (like saying she is studying at a friends house, when in fact she has been working a late night shift...we want to follow the school’s guidelines roughly about the number of hours a week a sixth former works, as ultimately, her education is the most important thing, and she is very keen to go to uni). Again, this has caused an argument, but nothing more than I guess being held across most households with 16 year old girls.
The boy comes from a very unstable background and lives at home with no boundaries whatsoever. Dd loves spending time there, and gets on with his family, including his sister who is about 20. There are lots of siblings in the house, many of whom dont work, but have children...it’s all just chaotic.
A few months ago, Dd dropped a grade and I was asked to the school to discuss, which I did. I was asked about changes at home, which there wasn’t, but I mentioned the boyfriend and discovered he was an ex pupil. I was basically told that the teachers felt that he would not be a good influence on her, due to the unmotivated and chaotic lifestyle the family have. I discussed this with Dd, but I respect her decisions to chose her own friends, and I think that it’s good to mix with a variety of types of people.
Strange things continue to happen, such as the boyfriend sleeping in his car outside the house all night, and him continually trying to get her to move in with him....
A few weeks ago the boyfriend had a couple of “seizures” at work. No previous history of things like that. He was blue lighted to hospital on both occasions, but nothing has shown up on any tests yet. I strongly suspect that these seizures were faked, due to the timings of them (both at the start of dd’s half term / end of term), so I think he had thoughts of her spending time with him, and he also wanted to “test” to see if she would accompany him to hospital. He is very needy.
After these episodes, we spoke to Dd about not travelling in his car, as he would not be insured until the reasons for his seizures have been fully investigated. She promised she wouldn’t.
Last Sunday, she was caught by chance getting into his car, by her step father. He sent him on his way and sent Dd into the house. I decided to drive to the boyfriends house to try to explain our reasons. I have been driving the pair of them about myself, and driving Dd to his house, and she’s got the bus on occasion, so this was not a way of getting them to stop seeing each other.
Once I arrived at the house, I had barely started talking and I was being called by my husband to return home immediately. The boyfriend and one of his sisters were standing in the street outside our home screaming that our Dd was being held against her will, they were concerned for her safety and the police had been called. He then calls again, saying that they were shouting out that my husband had abused my daughter.....
I get home, husband had managed to get rid of them, and they were sitting having a calm conversation. The abuse thing was an utter lie, which Dd had confided into the sister in. The only truthful aspect of it was when she asked my husband if her backside looked big in some leggings she wore, he commented that it looked big. I KNOW this was an inappropriate response, it was several months ago, and it does not constitute sexual abuse. The police came round, we’re surprised to see us having a calm chat, rather than having her tied up somewhere. They told us the family were “known” and they had a fondness for calling ambulances and the police on a regular basis. Part of the conversation involved moving forward, and it was agreed that Dd should go and spend time with her dad.
After the police had gone, my husband broke down and sobbed. He was distraught that the girl he has loved and bought up from 4 could make these allegations, and probably did so in order to get her own way. She was told she was loved, but all need some time.
She has now been with her dad for a week. It’s been the worst week of both our lives. He has a job which means he is away 3-4 nights a week, and his girlfriend, although lovely, is not sure she can deal with my Dd. It is an hour bus ride to school (but her dad has been driving her in) but she feels isolated from her friends. I am not too bothered about the fact that she’s had a miserable week, she made up a malicious sexual abuse allegation, for which she needs to see the consequences of.
There is no way she can return home here for a while. The police, her school, and social services (who closed the case after a five minute call) all agree that she needs to be away from her step dad for a period of time.
We are therefore stuck. Obviously she wants to live with the boyfriend which won’t happen, and even she recognises that it would not be good in the long run. She has managed to alienate a lot of her friends due to attention seeking behaviour since being with the boy, so she can’t stay with them.
My brother works in an international boarding school in Denmark, and has offered to proxy-parent her if she were to attend. I’ve mentioned the prospect to her and she seems keen. She loves new experiences, and she feels that she could “start afresh”. Although she would “lose” her first year of A levels, she would instead study the IB, an alternative, which would in fact open more doors for her. Family travel to Denmark often, and we live very close to an airport with cheap flights, so she could return home twice monthly if she wanted to.
I just don’t know what to do? She’s a lovely girl, whom I tell daily that I love, but she has lost her way. Strangely, it does not seem to bother her being away from the boyfriend in order to go to Denmark, but she desperately does not want to change schools to one nearer her dad.
Thank you for reading. I feel utterly utterly shit.

OP posts:
SockMobster · 03/03/2018 14:30

Why can she not be near her step dad for sometime if the allegations are false? Are there still ongoing investigations or is she at risk from him in some other way?

Fraying · 03/03/2018 14:30

I agree with your friends that you seem to be putting your DH first and ignoring that there has been an accusation of abuse.Your DD and DH need to be apart and you have chosen to stay with your DH rather than your DD. Arguably the fact your DD has a bf with a chaotic life means she needs more support.
However, where I disagree with your friends is that I think boarding school might be a good idea. Your DD needs to be in a supportive atmosphere and it sounds as though both you and her DF (for different reasons) are unable to provide that atm.

Booboobooboo84 · 03/03/2018 14:35

She doesn’t appear to be at risk in anyway but I would imagine that a false accusation of abuse has shaken the op and her dh to their core and her dh possibly needs some space before opening himself up to being put in a situation where more accusations could be made. At 16 she is capable of understanding the gravity of her actions

Hoppinggreen · 03/03/2018 14:41

I’m normally pretty anti boarding school but given the circumstances you describe I think it sounds like a good option

Pigflewpast · 03/03/2018 14:41

Is she still actively training for her sport? Would she be able to carry this on if she goes? I know her overall wellbeing is much much more important than a sport, and it's an age a lot give up their sports anyway, but if that's the one thing she still loves, and she gets some discipline from, she needs to be sure she's happy to give it up if she would have to.
As you say she's keen I'd seriously look into her going.
You sound lovely, she sounds a bit lost, good luck to you both.

BarbarianMum · 03/03/2018 14:41

I think he's the ne at risk here SockMonster. He risks loosing his home and access to his children (at least temporarily) if she makes another accusation against him. Rather understandably, SS take allegations of abuse very seriously.

Slanetylor · 03/03/2018 14:43

I'm not too keen on sending her away either. It sounds like she needs more love now not less. Why can't she come home? I'm still vague in that? Is it because step dad is angry with her? Or does she feel everyone is angry with her and her dad doesn't want her either? I'm not sure what the situation is.
She has dropped the part time job. Can she move home during week with very tight supervision and live with dad during the weekend. Also it is possible for you to help her reconnect with friends who are better role models, drive them to cinema or out for pizza etc. Offer to play the strict mom role so that boyfriend is kept at a distance. And spend more time with her, every second you've got. She sounds lovely but lost. I wouldn't send her away now. Although of course I see how it seems like the perfect answer.

DarthArts · 03/03/2018 14:46

@Fraying

I don't think your right at all. Her DD has admitted the allegation was false and the police and SS are also accepting of that.

The OP has obligations not just to her DD but her other children as well. Telling her DH to leave and deprive the other children of their father over a claim that she has retracted and has been investigated - why would you do that?

If there was any credence to this allegation SS wouldn't mess about - he'd be out of the house ASAP.

Strikes me the DH is more vulnerable in this situation than the DD. Her lie could have devastated the whole family.

Sometimes putting your kids first is teaching them the consequences of bad behaviour and that doesn't in this case involve chucking an innocent man out of his home and depriving his children of their father.

SockMobster · 03/03/2018 14:50

I wouldn't send your daughter to boarding school

That's the short version, here's the reasoning. Regardless of what is going on, something is going on with your daughter - you can not lay all the blame on this boy. It is your daughter who is making poor choices, and your daughter who is getting herself into situations that require a pregnancy test (not that that is necessarily a poor choice, but from what you've posted it doesn't come across as fitting in with her life ambitions).

Her school were utterly wrong to discuss this boys "chaotic" family with you - huge breech of confidentiality there - and, to be honest, how would you feel if your daughter went to boarding (or any new school) and other parents were told that she had been moved due to being the "problem" child.

The time split between house parents and your daughter will be much less than what your daughter gets at home with two parents (even with sibling time). Denmark is a wonderful country, and has a great education system, but the IB is very different to A-Levels, and children really need to be self starters to succeed in it. Also, she'd have to study a broader range of subjects; for instance two languages and I think (it may have changed) one science are mandatory. As is maths.

She would not be able to play her national level sport over there; well, most likely she wouldn't be able to.

International schools are often full of children from wealthy families, or from diplomatic families, or families who move around a lot - there's often, not always, much more access to drugs, alcohol, parties, etc., and often, but again not always, boundaries tend to be much more relaxed.

It's very rare for children to make false allegations of abuse, and confide in their sibling (I couldn't quite work out whether she confided it was a false allegation, or she confided the abuse).

I think you need to ask your husband to move out, and have your daughter at home, whilst this is dealt with - it seems like there may still be an ongoing investigation which is why they don't want your daughter living with your husband. A safeguarding concern that was closed in a five minute call would not lead to The police, her school, and social services (who closed the case after a five minute call) all agree that she needs to be away from her step dad for a period of time

I would arrange some counselling as well as a priority, privately to avoid the waiting lists through the NHS.

ReanimatedSGB · 03/03/2018 14:50

Sounds very much like the best way forward for her - a way to get away from this wretched boy and make a clean break. The fact that she likes the idea suggests she sees it this way (it would be harder if she didn't want to go.)

SockMobster · 03/03/2018 14:54

@BarbarianMum It's very rare that false allegations are made (just as it is with women and rape). It is not unheard of, but it's rare.

It's more common that a child makes an allegation, than panics when disclosure happens and states it's not true - it often turns out it can be true. I couldn't work out if she had disclosed to the sister or the boyfriend, but either way she would have done so in confidence. Having the police suddenly involved would have been hugely frightening for her.

I don't understand why social services would "close a case" but state that it wasn't safe for the child to live at home - it's the child's home after all.

I also don't read that it's been investigated any further than a five minute phone call - this is not a serious investigation - which is why I think it may be ongoing and that's perhaps the reason they don't want the daughter in the house.

SockMobster · 03/03/2018 14:55

@DarthArts - I would want to know that more than a five minute investigation over the phone had been done, even after a retracted statement, or that my child had engaged in counselling and discussed with a professional why the claim, and why the redaction, for the safety of my other children as well.

Fraying · 03/03/2018 14:59

Darth the OP said that her DD's school, police and SS agreed that her DD and OP's DH were to be kept apart. I didn't read that as though he had been completely cleared.
OP is trying hard to present it that her DH is no threat and that everything relates to the chaotic bf. I just wouldn't be so quick to jump to that conclusion in light of the fact that every authority involved with the DD is saying that OP's DH has to be kept away from her.

KickAssAngel · 03/03/2018 15:03

Can you go to visit the school with her? If you can manage a trip for just the two of you, where you actively are thinking about her future, could that be helpful? Is your relationship with her good enough that she would open up if you have a few days of just the two of you?

It sounds like she's wanting more freedom/autonomy (like most 16 year olds) but isn't mature enough to deal with it yet. Being away from home could help her with that, if she's knows it's her choice and you support her.

Does she get on well with her uncle? And will he supervise without being too hands on?

I think some good, long conversations about school/the future could work well without having to start down the "and your boyfriend is destroying your life" discussion. Hopefully she'll see how he is holding her back for herself.

pilotswife · 03/03/2018 15:04

I would say go to Denmark, beautiful country and excellent progressive education. Her international cohort there would hopefully raise the bar which she being intelligent will rise too.
As she’s on board with the whole new experience / adventure it will help the transition. She has a face saver for getting into a International school offering the International Baccalaureate. It can only benefit her starting the year again - the IB is very challenging and she might relish the fresh start.
You can then regroup as a family and your 16 year old has been given a generous, thoughtful chance at reinventing herself with the safety net of a nearby guardian to mentor her. It takes a village ....well done for thinking outside the box.

DarthArts · 03/03/2018 15:06

@SockMobster

Yes - I suggested counselling in my first post.

Reading the OP it read that the allegation had been made to the sister of the BF and not the DD's sibling.

Only the OP can clarify some of your points raised but I do think you underestimate the impact teen relationships can have on behaviour.
Both positive and negative.

Yes, she has made some poor choices but there has been a correlation between the escalation and seriousness of those and this relationship.

PrimalLass · 03/03/2018 15:08

Sounds like a great opportunity as long as she doesn't feel 'sent' away.

redexpat · 03/03/2018 15:08

If she's keen, then do it.

SockMobster · 03/03/2018 15:16

I do think you underestimate the impact teen relationships can have on behaviour.

Apologies if it came across like that, I don't at all, but I was reading it as the DD had been given options to make choices and was choosing not to make them. I don't think boarding school would solve that, it may actually make it worse.

She obviously didn't chose for the allegation of abuse to be disclosed as well. I actually really feel for her.

Now off to read your first post! Thank you for pulling me up on the point regarding teen relationships - I do agree with you.

DarthArts · 03/03/2018 15:18

@Fraying

If there was an ongoing investigation and suspicion that the DH was a threat SS wouldn't just be suggesting he is kept away from the DD but demanding he's removed from the other 3 children in the house as well.

Based on what's been posted it would seem that the police and SS are satisfied the allegation was false.

I would however want to understand why the DD felt the need to do so - hence counselling.

BrendasUmbrella · 03/03/2018 15:20

I would say get on with that as soon as possible. The sooner she's out of the reach of this boy, the better.

jacks11 · 03/03/2018 15:24

I think you should let her go. It's a good thing that she is keen and I think this is a good opportunity for her. A fresh start and a chance for a clean slate. And a chance to study the IB, live in a different country and so on. If she wants to go, and you can afford, then I would let her go.

I would sound one warning only- would any of your younger children get the same opportunity, if they wanted it? If not, I think you do need to weight that up. Doesn't mean she shouldn't go, as sometimes equality is not the same thing fairness.

She does, however, need to understand COMPLETELY how terrible the allegations she made are. These sorts of allegations are very serious- had they been believed your husband could have been charged, prosecuted and jailed. Lost his job, reputation in tatters. She needs to apologise and make amends. This does not get swept under the carpet if she goes to Denmark. If nothing else, for her own sake she really does need to understand the seriousness of what she has done.

ScattyCharly · 03/03/2018 15:28

I'd definitely send her as long as your brother is going to be able to closely monitor.

This relationship sounds like poison to her life at an important time and she has embroiled herself in such a web of lies that she has no friends apart from one toxic family.

Bear in mind it's 2018 and social media means that sending her away physically might not actually get her away from him unless that is what she REALLY wants for herself. She should probably set up new accounts with no current friends to make a fresh start in Denmark.

I'd also report the boyfriend to the DVLA. He shouldn't be driving if he's been having seizures that are unexplained.

SockMobster · 03/03/2018 15:34

but demanding he's removed from the other 3 children in the house as well.

I thought that too originally, but then I realised that the other girls in the house are biologically his. I don't know if that comes into it or not.

OP, Darth has some good advice in her first post if you go down the route of boarding school - I nodded my head a lot to it, although I don't believe that's the best option.

But, please, counselling as a priority.

EyeSaidTheFly · 03/03/2018 15:34

Your daughter is in an abusive relationship with her boyfriend. Please don't let this destroy her life - what she does now will have reverberations throughout the rest of her life. Yes, she is old enough to exercise choice but she is still a child and is too young to appreciate the implications for all the choices she makes. Do what it takes to get rid of him.