I don't know how I feel about abortion anymore

[sirlee66]

I've always been very pro-choice. A woman's body. A woman's right to choose.

I'm currently 34 weeks pregnant with my first and now I think my thoughts are changing.

I believe the cut off is 24 weeks? There was a lovely lady on here the other day whose waters broke and she gave birth to a baby girl at 25 weeks! If a baby can survive that early... It just seems...wrong!

Maybe the cut off could be lowered. I started feeling flutters at about 15 weeks so maybe before then.

I don't know what the answer is. I still feel really strongly that ultimately, the mother should decide but I just can't get past babies surviving outside the womb at the same age as a baby that could be aborted.

Maybe it's just pregnancy hormones. I also can't stop think about the poor women who have to make that decision. It must be so awful and I just want to give them a big hug.

I guess my question is, AIBU to not really know how I feel about it?

According to the CDC only 1.3% of abortion’s in the USA happened post 20 weeks.

They are also fairly likely to decrease over all given the crisis happening with providers

Found this here abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/

And still I ask: you seem to hang your entire contention on this Act. Do you agree with the 28 week limit?
i dont i just got in the weeds with a poster that said legally a fetus is not a child wrongly i am against all abortion
'Do you think that, if my contraception were to fail and I became pregnant, I should risk death and permanent disablement because the foetus has an equal right, and therefore should have a right to use and harm my body against my will?' a fetus does not harm your body straw man argument

You really don't seem able to grasp some basic concepts bluepears.

Blue pears I have no idea what you mean tbh. It’s making no sense

You might want to try learning to quote bluepears, your posts make no sense at all.

And legally a foetus is not a person. Do you understand this simple fact?

a fetus does not harm your body straw man argument

You may call it a straw man argument. I find it pretty offensive when you do so, given that this is my actual, real life. And the actual, real lives of many women.

Carrying my second son harmed my body. Permanently. Now, I made an informed choice to become pregnant, and to continue the pregnancy. So that’s fine. My choice, my consequences.

I would not willingly become pregnant again, in no small part because the risk to my life is heightened, and the risk of permanent disability is significant.

I am not alone in this.

Do you not get that?

I find it hard to believe that someone who claims to be a mother would have no awareness that pregnancy can harm the woman's health. I spent weeks at a time on an antenatal ward because of the severe impact of HG on my body, hooked up to drips and IV meds. My organs were compromised. Have you lived under a rock? Do you not realise that there is a whole field of medicine related to maternal health?

'Do you think that, if my contraception were to fail and I became pregnant, I should risk death and permanent disablement because the foetus has an equal right, and therefore should have a right to use and harm my body against my will'
no thats why i dont think you said have an abortion which would mean a risk to your health both mental and physical. and if i was to get pregnant get a ill ask specifically the gp for Tetracycline which is an teratogenic drug should i be allowed?

Sorry I'm struggling to follow your posts. Are you saying that Jassy shouldn't be allowed an abortion even if her health will be damaged or she could be left permanently disabled by continuing with the pregnancy, or that she should be allowed one?

no thats why i dont think you said have an abortion which would mean a risk to your health both mental and physical.

The risk to my mental and physical health, and my life, is greater. How can you deny that? Hyperemesis alone leaves around 20% of sufferers with all the clinical symptoms of PTSD.

and if i was to get pregnant get a ill ask specifically the gp for Tetracycline which is an teratogenic drug should i be allowed?

Your GP would present you with a choice - to remain pregnant, and on the assumption that because you wanted to remain pregnant that you wanted the child that would probably result, and therefore would not prescribe it.

If the infection you had only responded to tetracycline, then you would have a choice: to abort (or deliver early if you were close enough to term), or to accept the risk the infection would kill you. Still a choice.

No one has a ‘right’ to be prescribed a particular drug, regardless of their pregnancy. It’s an odd argument, and in no way equivalent to ‘if you get pregnant, I don’t think you should be allowed an abortion even though the risks to you are high.’

if i was to get pregnant get a ill ask specifically the gp for Tetracycline which is an teratogenic drug should i be allowed?

yes, if it was the best drug for you, you should absolutely.

'The risk to my mental and physical health, and my life, is greater. How can you deny that? Hyperemesis alone leaves around 20% of sufferers with all the clinical symptoms of PTSD.'
its not according to a study in Finland onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.3109/00016349709024605/full if you cant be bothered to read that the risk of death in the next year per 100 thousand is 27 for women who had given birth, 48 for women who had miscarriages or ectopic pregnancies, and 101 for women who had abortions.

'if i was to get pregnant get a ill ask specifically the gp for Tetracycline which is an teratogenic drug should i be allowed?

yes, if it was the best drug for you, you should absolutely.' in this country you would not be

You have completely misinterpreted that study bluepears.

Until anyone hears those awful words that your child is severely disabled or incompatible with life cannot even comment on what they would do.
ive heard that twice at 13 weeks and at 25 weeks and ive been never forced by a genetic councillor or consultant to terminate a pregnancy.
I think there is a big difference between tfmr to terminating a pregnancy because you dont want to continue the pregnancy.
Nobody has any right to comment on a womans choice whether to continue with a pregnancy or not.

'You have completely misinterpreted that study bluepears.'

That's what woman-hating forced birthers do, stitch.

its not according to a study in Finland onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.3109/00016349709024605/full if you cant be bothered to read that the risk of death in the next year per 100 thousand is 27 for women who had given birth, 48 for women who had miscarriages or ectopic pregnancies, and 101 for women who had abortions.

That’s a link to the abstract only and is pretty meaningless without further statistical analysis. An understanding of the factors leading to the abortions, the demographic factors of the group of abortion deaths and the overall demographics and risk factors of those who had abortions compared to the overall picture - a lot of work needed to make this meaningful. Very important to note that those were all deaths, not just deaths related to pregnancy and birth.

Nothing in that abstract presents abortion as a risk to health. Rather, it is correlated with poor outcomes, from thirty years ago.

I wouldn’t take very much medical advice on research from 30 years ago.

Meanwhile, you’re still happy to see me dead? Great. I’ll let you tell my boys.

'You have completely misinterpreted that study bluepears.'

explain how you dont deny the statistics that i gave you do you but then its less than 10 minutes since i posted so you cant of read it all? its a peer reviewed study but its a predictable response and i dont want to argue because its irrelevant the fact of the matter is every abortion ends the life of the fetus now you need a good reason to make that moral and being in the mothers body is not. causing harm to the mothers body is not

, mudda. I’m so, so sorry. My brother was born with a condition incompatible with life in the 80s, before scans were common. Huge sympathies.

Did you click onto the study and read deeper? Because I did.

explain how you dont deny the statistics that i gave you do you but then its less than 10 minutes since i posted so you cant of read it all?

Do you have a link to the full study, rather than the brief abstract? Does it overcome the limitations I mentioned? Does it identify whether abortion is a causative factor, and if so how?

'Meanwhile, you’re still happy to see me dead? Great. I’ll let you tell my boys.' i did not say that i dont want anyone to have an abortion with the risk to the mothers life.

'Until anyone hears those awful words that your child is severely disabled or incompatible with life cannot even comment on what they would do.
ive heard that twice at 13 weeks and at 25 weeks and ive been never forced by a genetic councillor or consultant to terminate a pregnancy.
I think there is a big difference between tfmr to terminating a pregnancy because you dont want to continue the pregnancy.
Nobody has any right to comment on a womans choice whether to continue with a pregnancy or not.'
you realise you just commented on whether a woman should have the right to an abortion?