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Are my friend expectations too high?

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expatmatt78 · 25/02/2018 06:12

Happy to be told I ABU and hold people to too high a std
I consider myself a good friend and am often the one counselling friends through hard times or if I know they're having a hard time will make sure I check in with them at least.
Is it unfair to expect the same in return ? Perhaps it is.
In short as I've posted elsewhere I've lost (step) FIL and this is now my 2nd weekend alone with DC while DH is overseas sorting things out. Many friends have been great but this one particular who always tells me I'm her only friend I feel so let down by. Had plans with her this weekend and had to cancel as this has happened - offered to get together anyway in a diff way to planned and said I'd love the company. Didn't hear back for 5 days. Made other plans anyway. Haven't had any kind of condolence message. Maybe they don't realize I'm having a hard time as it's not direct family member but anyone with empathy would check in wouldn't they? Knowing I've been alone for a while etc? So do I let it go and lower future expectations of this person or do I tell her I feel let down?

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BerylStreep · 25/02/2018 10:17

Expat yes, I have read all your posts.

I'm not suggesting that her being pissed off is reasonable, but perhaps she is pissed off because you've cancelled the plans and that is why she hasn't responded to you in any meaningful way.

expatmatt78 · 25/02/2018 10:18

twitter I feel sorry for your friends of you can't have compassion for anyone if it seems like they're taking over from your own life. Of course we all have our own shit and I didn't ask to be a priority simply an consideration . To me as a friend that's a given so glad you're not a friend if you have zero mental space for anyone

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expatmatt78 · 25/02/2018 10:20

detective not really sadly. I'm prob better one to one friends with her than with her DH
Some of the communication was just to her not as a group so can't really excuse it like that

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epicclusterfuck · 25/02/2018 10:22

I'm astonished at the responses here. YANBU! A good friend would be offering support, at least respond to your messages and yes check in with you to see what's happening and how you and your husband are coping.

I had similar with a close friend and it definitely has made me re-evaluate the friendship. I do know she was going through some upset in her life at the time but I realised that I was always the one checking on her and it didn't happen the other way round! The friendship dynamic was her being in need and me providing support so it just didn't work when the situation meant that dynamic was reversed. I don't think she even sent a card and didn't reply to a message which was a cry for help... in contrast another close friend sent several texts, offered practical help and came to the funeral.

expatmatt78 · 25/02/2018 10:23

beryl maybe but I gave over a week notice and it was my first consideration when I knew what was happening. It was her DH bday so prob disappointing then again even if I feel that way it's possible to have empathy and they had ample time to make alternate plans it wasn't a zero hour blow out

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Banalarama · 25/02/2018 10:49

It sounds to me as though she is a bit wrapped up in herself, your friend. You should let her know how you are feeling - that this is a difficult time for you and explain why. And then you can judge her on her reaction to you.

There is often pain caused by a mis match between what friends expect of each other. In my life I have definitely lowered my expectations of friends and I have found life much easier once I am not feeling let down by them. Sounds a bit sad doesn’t it but I think it’s part of life. Unless you are really lucky and hit upon friends with the exactly te same expectations.

expatmatt78 · 25/02/2018 10:53

banal you're right and that was prob my original point - should I be offended that others don't do what I'd do. Probably not and it's unfair to expect it
I do need to lower my expectations for sure

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Banalarama · 25/02/2018 11:11

I think you are perfectly reasonable to feel hurt. I would (and have) in similar situations. It’s a challenge though to get the balance right - not expect too much and yet have an honest and fulfilling friendship. I really hope you feel better soon

Sallystyle · 25/02/2018 11:14

YANBU

Most people are going to grieve the loss of their FIL. Step or bio or whatever. The replies saying that it wouldn't occur to them that you would be upset to lose your FIL are frankly bizarre.

I think your friend was shit. It takes second to text to say sorry for your loss and ask how you are doing.

I don't think your expectations are too high, and I have no time for people who want support themselves but can't even send a text asking if i'm ok when I am going through a tough time.

I am sorry for your loss OP Thanks

Snowysky20009 · 25/02/2018 11:38

Sorry for your loss OP. I think just by reading this thread people have different expectations when it comes to FIL and step FIL.

For example when my step dad passed, my ex partner was devestated. Because he'd been a fantastic step grandad to our son. He went around to see my mum a few times, came to the funeral etc. Likewise when he lost his grandparents, I was devestated, as they were grandparents to me, in that they treated me as a granddaughter even though we had split up. I know that's different as it is not parents but just as an example regarding closeness.

I personally would have have contacted you to offer my condolanses, asked how your dp was and if there was anything I could do. But as the thread shows different people act in different ways.

Maybe drop her a text and say you are having a rough time, could she come over one evening for a chat or something. If you don't receive anything, at least you know where you stand with her in the grand scheme of things.

Damnthatonestaken · 25/02/2018 11:39

Hugs op.Flowers I think some people dont get that you can be close to your pil if they aren't with their own. But its always nice to check!

KC225 · 25/02/2018 12:17

Dear OP sorry for your loss.

There are some true Sunday crouches on here. I cannot believe some of the early responses on this thread. And I am sorry you have had to read them. As much as I love AIBU is a funny place, I have read 20 pages of ranting when a grandparent doesn't spend the same on a step child at Christmas as the biological grandchildren. Yet you are accused of expecting too much (condolences and thoughtfulness) when your step FIL dies. No one on here knows the relationship of your step FIL to your DH and your family. The fact is you have had a death in your family and you are grieving. When my FIL died he also lived abroad and my DH went to sort everything out. His mother went into shock and was virtually helplessly. We were worried how she would cope, mentally, physically and financially. The phone calls ans sjypes were very strained and I know my young children picked up on it. It was hard time all of us especially my DH.

Your friend has behaved badly. You have been there for her. If the situation was reversed you would have phoned, ask her if she needed any help and would have been a sounding board. You have every right to feel let down. I personally would withdraw now I know the friendship is not an two way street. The you are my only friend line, is a exactly a line, if she really valued your friendship she would treat it better.

I hope you feel better soon OP.

doesthislookoddtoyou · 25/02/2018 12:21

I would check in. But my experience of loosing a parent is that most people don't seem to see it as a big deal

thats absolute nonsense and totally irrelevant anyway. Its her husbands step father, not her parent. Hmm

Italiangreyhound · 25/02/2018 12:31

@BerylStreep "Perhaps your friend is pissed off that you cancelled the plans you had together, for what appears to be fairly a tenuous reason. On the face of it, a step FIL living in another country doesn't seem to be that close a relationship to warrant cancelled plans - or was it the childcare aspect which made it necessary to cancel because your DH is away?"

Do you really think someone's death is a 'tenuous' reason?

@Chienrouge "I think that’s a bit harsh actually." I'm sorry if I came across as harsh, that is not my intention. I don; think I was speaking specifically to your situation though, I was speaking to the OP's situation.

"I’ve experience huge loss. My brother died in his early 20s. I’ve lost 3 close school friends, one at 15, one at 19 and one at 22. 2 uncles in their early 40’s. I think that’s why my initial reaction to ‘step father in law’ was a bit dismissive." It's OK for you to feel dismissive but by the same token it is OK for the OP to see this as a big deal.

Some losses do affect us more than others, of course, but we don't need to tailor our own grief because this loss is not as bad as someone else's grief, IMHO.

One of the things about losing a parent or parent-in-law or a step parent who was in a couple with the other parent is that one is left with a grieving, often elderly, parent who now one has to look out for in a way one never did before. This happened to my sister and I. The loss of our father was major, it is was unexpected and left our mum grieving massively after half a century together.

When our mum died over 11 year later, we felt a sense of sadness and relief, as she was very ill. All losses are different, but friends should be supportive. Maybe friends who have suffered no major losses really do not know how to react. That comment does not include people who have suffered losses.

"however I think to say people must not have experienced loss is harsh." Clearly I am not talking about people who have experienced loss, I am talking about people who have not.

Italiangreyhound · 25/02/2018 12:37

PS @Chienrouge I really am sorry for your losses. I can't imagine how it feels to lose a brother. I've lost friends and lost one in his 20s. But not to the extent you have.

You see I say this to you, a total stranger on the internet. And mean it.

How appalling that the OP's friend cannot say something similar to her. IMHO this is what this thread is about. Not who has suffered more but how a friend could react to loss.

Motoko · 25/02/2018 14:44

I have a step father, but I don't consider him as such, because my mum and him got together when I was older and I only lived with him and mum for a few months when my dad kicked me out. (And I don't mind that my dad did that! We got over it.)
He's always been "mum's husband", but they're separated now. So if he died, my husband wouldn't be affected at all, and it wouldn't affect me, other than thinking it was sad for his actual children and grandchildren.

So, that's why someone may not think a step FIL dying would necessarily affect you, certainly not to the extent of "being all over the place".
But, having said that, she's supposed to be your friend and would know if you had a good relationship with him or not, and I do think she should have sent condolences.

From what you've said, it sounds like she's very self absorbed and only values you as someone to hang out with and offload her problems on.
I'd start backing off from this relationship, and I'd get her off your wills as guardian of your children. It doesn't sound like she'd be the best person to do that.

Sorry for your loss. Flowers

expatmatt78 · 26/02/2018 00:37

Update: well I guess I have my answer - I ended up messaging her (not to have a go at her) but to say "gosh I'm having a hard time, we're all really sad and DH is also v worried and it's all a big mess over there what a nightmare!" I thought as advised on here that of course I should assume she would just KNOW how we are all doing

Crickets Hmm

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writergirl747474 · 26/02/2018 00:53

Do you think it's anything to do with being an ex-pat? I'm living abroad and finding friends is tough. So tough in fact that I'm moving back to the UK soon. People here (Aus) are all good when the sun is shining (metorphorically) but not so much in bad times. For example I joined a sports club and was welcomed on to a team (because I am a pretty good player). I hurt my leg last week and couldn't play. But my team seem more concerned about not winning the match than the fact I'm injured - it was like I'd let then down. My friends in the UK are not like that - they'd be checking I was ok first and foremost. Really can't wait to get back home.

expatmatt78 · 26/02/2018 01:40

Hi writergirl think we spoke a while back when you first moved?
Anyway not it's definitely not that in fact she is my only expatt friend all others are locals and it's taken me years to build them up but they're all brilliant. She and I had a bit of a bond I thought as both came here same time had kids same time and it was nice to have someone you could relate too on a "cultural" level and talk about home too iyswim. I guess I value(d) that special "bond" more than she did
And perhaps this explains why she doesn't have any other mates really despite being a nice person and good fun to hang out with - I don't think she's mean or spiteful just a bit socially crippled in a way or not empathetic maybe ? Or a bit of a taker ? Who knows !

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daisychain01 · 26/02/2018 02:09

She's hardly going to get the Friend of the Year award is she.

At the very least, knowing your DH would be grieving his loss, you'd have thought a simple text to say "thinking of you and DH, take care" would have been a thoughtful thing to do.

Some people don't think beyond the immediate. Hope you're OK OP.

expatmatt78 · 26/02/2018 03:07

Thanks daisy I am actually fine! Had a nice weekend hanging with the kids, saw a couple of friends, had a walk in the sun and bumped into another friend and her kids who joined us so I feel positive about the people I have around me.
I suppose I sent the 2nd message to her in a way as a test - based on feedback here that it was unfair to expect her to know (whilst deep down I really knew she was fully aware of what was going on) so made it clear what's going on and how we're all feeling and gave her a chance to at least check in and say "hey sorry you're having a hard time hope all ok" or something .
I expected her to ignore again so at least I know it's not because she didn't get it or know if that makes sense.
Really she's not a bitchy person and as I said is fun to be around when we get together etc but this isn't the first time I've asked for a bit of "help" and not got it- I don't know what it is about her - perhaps she just isn't able to be that person ? I don't know. I can't understand how even if you're uncomfortable around awkward things like grief you can't even send a text ?
Anyway I don't need her and now I know I can't rely on her anyway so I'll put her in the box of friend you have fun with when you see them and not expect more.
And certainly won't be doing thoughtful things like sending flowers and babysitting on her bday ffs !! Hard lesson to learn but a good one

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expatmatt78 · 26/02/2018 03:19

Just remember reading all the PPs and to beryl "I think it also good to have a really good think about why you counsel friends or check in with them. Is it because you expect the same in return? Do you have rescuer tendencies? "

Probably! Well definitely in fact! This friendship however isn't one where I'm playing that role to her. She doesn't ask me for that kind of support though I've definitely had some of those friends before where it's one sided!

That's why it's hard to explain or understand why she's been quite shit ? We've been friends for nearly 9 years, know one another's families (including parents) and I suppose I just imagined I could reach out and get some empathy. Maybe because she doesn't "use" me as that person she was taken aback for me to ask her ?

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DalekDalekDalek · 26/02/2018 04:16

I don't think you are being unreasonable to be pissed off that she hasn't replied to you. That's completely understandable (though I am a bugger for not texting back).

I think you are expecting a lot for her to understand how you are feeling. Depending on how her family works it might have genuinely not occurred to her that you were upset as this may seem like a distant relative to her even if it doesn't to you. If you feel like that you need to tell her, expecting her to just know isn't fair.

It might also be that she thinks you are busy with your DCs and doesn't want to bother you? It might be different to how you feel but everyone interprets situations differently.

Also it is just possible that she has something major going on. You say that you would offer sympathy and I'm sure you would because you seem like a very empathetic person but, again, maybe she doesn't want to bother you or just can't talk about it.

Try not to jump to conclusions as it will cause both of you hurt but you have every right to feel like you do. Feelings are always justified, it doesn't matter if other people "get" it.

expatmatt78 · 26/02/2018 07:33

dalek I'm always one for benefit of the doubt but if you see my update I did actually tell her explicitly yesterday that I was having a hard time and why. It didnt change a thing and I have not heard from her.
And as mentioned I work with her DH and we're pretty close at work - if anything he is more open and in the past has told me if she's fed up upon which I have usually acted and got in touch with her !
In any case he's been equally as crap as I overheard him moaning to other colleagues (not abt me at all but) about how he was fed up having no bday plans (this being after I had to cancel the original weekend plans but while I had offered an alternate plan for all of us than previously arranged minus my DH and was 5 days into eagerly awaiting a response!)
In the end I was kind of pissed off that it seemed they were hedging their bets for something else better to come along and after I'd expressly said I'm fine whatever you do but pls let me know so I can make other plans and not be on my own all weekend- that I said "let's forget it and reschedule for another time" . That was late Thursday night (I originally let them know as soon as DH had booked his flight to see his Mum the previous Saturday)

Clearly some people are just crap!!

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expatmatt78 · 26/02/2018 07:35

Sorry dalek original point was that I can be fairly certain it isn't due to her dealing with something herself. I know her situation at work has been a bit stressful but isn't all of ours ?

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