Trump: If a potential “sicko shooter” knows that a school has a large number of very weapons talented teachers (and others) who will be instantly shooting, the sicko will NEVER attack that school

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This has to be a new low. Even for Trump. It's absurd.

The same is-45 who is a decorated war hero? Is that the one? Maybe I’m getting my wires crossed? Or is it the one who dodged the draft? Who mocked soldiers who were caught and held captive by the enemy?

That's the one Fekko. A yellow belly

I live in the US and my 12 year old son has bipolar disorder. He does pretty well for the most part, but his medication sometimes needs adjusting and when it’s not effective he’s very “off”. If teachers wore guns we would most likely have to pull him out of school. If he had a meltdown and got physical I could see a scared teacher pulling a gun out on him. I could also see one of his classmates who throws desks when upset easily overpowering an armed teacher.
I have never heard anything as irresponsible as suggesting bringing in more guns to avoid gun violence.
Not allowing the mentally ill to purchase weapons is a wonderful “thought “ but that means the purchaser (unlike the Vegas shooter) needs to actually have a registered diagnosis. So not much help.
I’m choosing to be responsible by not owning a gun and making it available to my mentally ill child, yet the “President “ thinks everyone would be safer by bringing a gun right next to him in school???
(BTW DS is absolutely lovely and hates guns and wouldn’t hurt anyone)

hesteton

The armed school guard didn't 'do his job' because it's a stupid job.

He was very likely to be a target for the shooter and nobody should be required to be shot at for their work. He was also otherwise likely to shoot children - at that point nobody knew that the shooter was an adult so it was just as likely to be a current pupil. In a chaptic situation the most likely outcomes of going in there with a gun was to make things worse.

So he did what he logically should do and therefore showed up what a titanically fucking stupid idea it is to have people armed at military level hanging around schools.

So of course he's a scapegoat. He showed that the armed emperor has no clothes. There can be no mercy for him.

Trump is a cunt !

Solution to gun crime ,...more guns 🤦‍♀️
Stop school shootings ?.... give teachers guns🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Seriously,these "lone wolf school/college shooters","sicko shooters" would surely,in my opinion, see it as a "bring it on" kind of sicko challenge if teachers were armed ?...
I am disgusted and sick to my stomach that trump mocked the "armed " teacher who list his life !... what the Actual Fuck is happening 🤢😪😵

I think if you do not want to be shot at for a living (and who could blame you) then you shouldn't take a job as an armed school guard. Or a police officer. Or a member of the military. Or any job where you are being paid to bear arms to defend others.

If you look at this, I don't think giving the teachers guns would be either here nor there (although I'm vehemently opposed to it):

. It's mind-blowing isn't it!

I agree with a PP. I've not got a problem in general with 'the right to bear arms' but cannot understand why this seems to need to translate into 'you can buy guns really easily, as many as you like, stockpile 'em if you want, buy automatic and semi automatic weapons so you have the ability to kill hundreds of people at a time'. That's two entirely different things.

Trump suggesting we add to that, well, is absolutely dim-witted in the extreme.

Some interesting statistics here: www.statista.com/topics/1287/firearms-in-the-us/

And if you read the TED talk by the mom of one of the Columbine massacre shooters - not excusing what her son at all as neither is she but after the fact she realised he had very serious unrecognised until it was too late, unshared by him until it was too late, and thus untreated, severe mental health problems (caused initially by bullying - this is a consistent trigger for severe mental health decline in young people). This means that there are a lot of people walking round out there who are a danger to themselves and to others. That boy didn't even want to kill others (not really), he just wanted his own life to end and his thinking was completely disordered by this point in time when he committed these acts.

It's an awful, awful mess. Surely the right to enjoy one's life without fear of being shot to bits trumps (no pun intended) the right to own a gun / guns?

It's actually on a par with saying "Oh jeez, there's a hole in our boat, let's make the hole bigger to stop the leak" - isn't it, it's literally that stupid a solution.

@mobmoll in many ways hits the nail on the head with her example because she shows that, if a gun is handy / readily available, people will opt to use the gun!

And I look at when you see film of cops handling people in the US - they are WAY more scared than our cops are - because they know the likelihood the person they are dealing with will be armed. So they pull their gun straight away. Because that's the automatic basic level of response they then have to employ. Compare this with our police. Ok, they don't always get it right but they are FAR more adept at conflict resolution-based approaches, used to good effect even when people have a knife or other weapon they are brandishing. They use words and body language first, not reaching for a gun. If they reach for some type of control device it's a taser more than likely, again, non-lethal when used correctly.

Introduce a gun into that scenario and it's just too easy to throw those skills out the window, and just reach for the gun. More guns - more dead people (good ones and bad ones).

What a horrific idea, most of teachers I've heard on the news and the unions agree. It's hard to believe if you don't live in the same culture.

However there are some teachers that already carry guns. One sheriff in Ohio has offered free extra concealed carry training for staff at schools. Worst is he got takers, not sure how many are teachers. He also thinks fire drills can allow a shooter to cause panic. There are two things you could try to remove - yes he thinks fire drills aren't really necessary.

www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article200904919.html

There are 8 states where it is already legal for staff at schools to have guns to some extent and some can concealed carry at school. Interesting article from Wall Street Jpurnal (again makes clear how few teachers want it.)

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/some-teachers-already-have-guns-1519347813

The NRA have much to answer for. Trump is managing to prove how adept he is at reaching his base vote. Madness

So you arm the teachers, for whatever reason the teachers fail to shoot the offender, teacher is then to blame

Teacher is demonised for not ‘protecting’ their pupils by killing another.

Who wants that responsibility as a teacher?

I remember how we treated supply teachers at school. Let's not give them a gun.

There are some heartening tweets on Twitter. According to some Amazon are being bombarded with requests for them to stop hosting NRA TV.

Also several tweets along these lines

sashh