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To ask you about the new teacher's rule...?

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PeppermintPasty · 21/02/2018 19:26

Ok, my ds is y6. He has just turned 11.

He's pretty normal, pretty average. Has a big bunch of friends, there are a lot of boys in the class generally. He seems to be as popular as he needs to be, and happy most of the time.

He can get very teary and intense about things, more so than, for example, his dsis (age 7), who is as hard as nails slightly tougher in some ways.

Anyway, one of his 'things' is going for a pee in the loo just before we leave the house almost every single time we go out. Sometimes he will go for a pee, we will then travel a mile to someone's house or something, and he'll immediately go when he gets there etc. He's known for it (amongst his mates whom I have heard josh him about it). I try not to make a thing of it. Sometimes I do say "what, again?" in exasperation, which probably isn't great of me.

So, new teacher this term. She has said that dc in class should not be asking to go to the toilet so often. She apparently thinks it can be a 'distraction technique' (the school's/her phrase) rather than a genuine need. 'If this appears to be the case the teacher may say (pupils) will have to wait until a natural break in learning'. The school goes on to say, (a bit odd imo): 'However, in the vast majority of cases the children will have free access to the toilet'. (-seems to be a light threat in there somewhere!).

I was driving my ds and his friend home a week or so ago and they were talking about how 'unfair' it was that my ds wasn't allowed to go to the toilet that day, first time I'd been made aware of it.

I generally don't want to blow it up into a big thing so I said to let me know if there's a problem again and I'll see what I can find out, that sort of thing.

In his home book today the teacher has written that he took too long between lunch and the next class (he went to the loo), and that he is using allowed loo breaks to 'contest' her rules by deliberately taking too long during these 'legitimate' breaks ( the children are generally not allowed to go during class any more).

He has no idea what she is talking about, I have explained what she is saying as objectively as possible. He says he was in the loo and he needed to go. She has taken points off him and wants me to 'talk' to him about this!

Aibu thinking this is overkill? My view of my ds is undoubtedly coloured, but I am also aware he is a bit of a follower not a leader generally, and I doubt he would deliberately try to 'contest' her authority. Without doubt he can be silly, loud, and is dreadful at paying attention, but he's not a calculating little sod, iyswim.

This has only been a school-wide issue since this teacher started, it seems to be a 'thing' now.

I would just like to know what teachers on here think, and parents of course.

I have replied in his book to say I do not want him to be punished for wanting to go to the loo, but I have said I will of course talk to him about any other matters that might arise. (And of course I have spoken to him about this issue anyway).

Bit long, sorry.

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Mrsfloss · 21/02/2018 19:29

Has he had everything medically ruled out?

Seems he goes alot

Thistlebelle · 21/02/2018 19:30

It’s difficult to know from what you’ve written really.

Can he really not make it from before school to break, from break to lunch etc with out going more frequently? That’s quite unusual for an 11 yo.

How often is he going? How long does he take?

If his bladder control is that poor I might consider taking him to the GP tbh.

Knittedfairies · 21/02/2018 19:31

Do you think it might be habit, rather than need?

FitBitFanClub · 21/02/2018 19:34

Is it an actual need, or rather anxiety? My ds was (is) like this - has to go almost as a ritual.

Amanduh · 21/02/2018 19:37

I think the teacher is perfectly right.

KeiraTwiceKnightley · 21/02/2018 19:37

If he has no medical need he needs to get a handle on this. Without a drs note, he will get short shrift in high school, and may find e has to wait a minimum of 2.5 hours to get through to break time.

PrincessHairyMclary · 21/02/2018 19:37

My DDs school is the same for children in KS2. Children absolutely use trips to the toilet as a distraction, they ask just after a break or in the middle of the main part of teaching and when one wants to go 5 others follow.

It is very normal practice in secondary school which your DS will soon be attending and children are expected to go in between lessons or at lunch and break. They are not allowed to go during lesson time at all unless they have a toilet pass for a medical reason. If your child needs the toilet that often and can't hold it for an hour at a time then a visit to the doctors maybe necessary anyway.

ExFury · 21/02/2018 19:38

If he needs to pee that often has he been to the doctors?

PeppermintPasty · 21/02/2018 19:40

I absolutely think it's an anxiety thing, which is why I've been low key about it. Maybe not the right way to go about it then.

I will think about the gp. I've always thought that would make it a major thing ifyswim. But duh, it, might be, so I guess he should go.

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crimsonlake · 21/02/2018 19:40

Different teachers different expectations. From yr 2 upwards children in most schools are generally expected to go at break and lunch time in my experience as a supply teacher, although some might need reminding. I am surprised that your son cannot wait until break time if he used the toilet before he left the house in the morning. Does he get up in the night, is he drinking too much, or anxious? Best to get him checked out as this wont be allowed to continue in secondary school unless he has a medical note.

Mummyoflittledragon · 21/02/2018 19:41

Does your ds drink a lot? Do you think he needs checking over? Either the issue is medical eg over active bladder, even water diabetes or it’s anxiety based.

If the teacher is going to single him out like this, I think at the very least you should go and discuss it with your gp.

PeppermintPasty · 21/02/2018 19:41

Oh, and I totally get that secondary school will be a bonny shock on many levels, and this is one of them.

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Thistlebelle · 21/02/2018 19:41

You don’t have to make it a major thing though just keep it low key.

DragonsAndCakes · 21/02/2018 19:42

Roughly how often does he go? I agree that if he can’t make it to break time then it’s unusual. Have you taken him to the GP? What do they say?

bridgetoc · 21/02/2018 19:45

Does your DS have something wrong with him? If not, your son is one of the big boys now. Both you and him need to get a grip.......

PeppermintPasty · 21/02/2018 19:47

I haven't taken him to the gp yet. I'm actively considering it now.

He goes about three times before school, then he tells me he goes around four times when in school (this is since she stopped them going in class). Does that seem a lot for an 11 yo? I'm 49 and I've always been a champion wee-er Blush

I think three times before school is a bit much.

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Poshjock · 21/02/2018 19:50

It sounds like hyperactive bladder and there is treatment, both behavioural and pharmaceutical than can be considered. I think you should have a chat with the GP to get support for your son to help him manage this - it is not uncommon and usually is grown out of.

PeppermintPasty · 21/02/2018 19:50

I'm in full possession of a grip thanks. I'm taking everything on board and not saying you're all mad and I'm right etc etc.

He doesn't have anything wrong with him as far as I know. As I say, he's an anxious sort at times.

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Notso · 21/02/2018 19:50

I'm not sure I understand what the teacher has said. She thinks he is taking too long to use the toilet at break/lunch and therefore isn't letting him go in class time if he needs to?

astonvanilla · 21/02/2018 19:50

My son did the same thing- we had him checked out by the dr but nothing medically wrong. I had a quiet word with the teacher to explain it was anxiety/psychological and they relaxed the rules for him and let him go when he felt he needed to. It stopped as quickly as it started when the pressure was taken off. Could you talk to the teacher and explain? Hope they are as understanding as my son's was.

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 21/02/2018 19:51

I absolutely think it's an anxiety thing, which is why I've been low key about it. Maybe not the right way to go about it then
My first thought was she’s right, it IS a distraction technique, but quite possibly connected to anxiety and not in the way she seems to be implying. And, if this is the case, then no, you are right in your low key response, and she is very wrong in her response.

PeppermintPasty · 21/02/2018 19:51

Thanks. A trip to the gp is sensible I think. Hadn't crossed my mind I'm afraid!

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TeatimeForTheSoul · 21/02/2018 19:51

Could something he is eating or drinking be irritating his bladder? Maybe, if GP finds nothing, just give him lots of cranberry for a week (capsules if he can’t do juice) and see if it changes anything. Can’t do any harm.

YetAnotherHelenMumsnet · 21/02/2018 19:52

Hi all,
Thanks to everyone who buzzed in with their queries, better safe than sorry and all that! We're content that this poster has been with us for sufficiently long to have no concerns.

astonvanilla · 21/02/2018 19:52

At his worst he was going every 20 mins. When the teacher understood it wasn't a time wasting exercise she was very supportive.