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To ask you about the new teacher's rule...?

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PeppermintPasty · 21/02/2018 19:26

Ok, my ds is y6. He has just turned 11.

He's pretty normal, pretty average. Has a big bunch of friends, there are a lot of boys in the class generally. He seems to be as popular as he needs to be, and happy most of the time.

He can get very teary and intense about things, more so than, for example, his dsis (age 7), who is as hard as nails slightly tougher in some ways.

Anyway, one of his 'things' is going for a pee in the loo just before we leave the house almost every single time we go out. Sometimes he will go for a pee, we will then travel a mile to someone's house or something, and he'll immediately go when he gets there etc. He's known for it (amongst his mates whom I have heard josh him about it). I try not to make a thing of it. Sometimes I do say "what, again?" in exasperation, which probably isn't great of me.

So, new teacher this term. She has said that dc in class should not be asking to go to the toilet so often. She apparently thinks it can be a 'distraction technique' (the school's/her phrase) rather than a genuine need. 'If this appears to be the case the teacher may say (pupils) will have to wait until a natural break in learning'. The school goes on to say, (a bit odd imo): 'However, in the vast majority of cases the children will have free access to the toilet'. (-seems to be a light threat in there somewhere!).

I was driving my ds and his friend home a week or so ago and they were talking about how 'unfair' it was that my ds wasn't allowed to go to the toilet that day, first time I'd been made aware of it.

I generally don't want to blow it up into a big thing so I said to let me know if there's a problem again and I'll see what I can find out, that sort of thing.

In his home book today the teacher has written that he took too long between lunch and the next class (he went to the loo), and that he is using allowed loo breaks to 'contest' her rules by deliberately taking too long during these 'legitimate' breaks ( the children are generally not allowed to go during class any more).

He has no idea what she is talking about, I have explained what she is saying as objectively as possible. He says he was in the loo and he needed to go. She has taken points off him and wants me to 'talk' to him about this!

Aibu thinking this is overkill? My view of my ds is undoubtedly coloured, but I am also aware he is a bit of a follower not a leader generally, and I doubt he would deliberately try to 'contest' her authority. Without doubt he can be silly, loud, and is dreadful at paying attention, but he's not a calculating little sod, iyswim.

This has only been a school-wide issue since this teacher started, it seems to be a 'thing' now.

I would just like to know what teachers on here think, and parents of course.

I have replied in his book to say I do not want him to be punished for wanting to go to the loo, but I have said I will of course talk to him about any other matters that might arise. (And of course I have spoken to him about this issue anyway).

Bit long, sorry.

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IhaveChillyToes · 21/02/2018 20:23

How is he after school, during holidays and weekends?

Also, overnight?

Presumably you have already thought about diabetes? And that he has been tested for that and it was negative?

zaalitje · 21/02/2018 20:24

So lunch is 12 - 1. And instead of going in that hour and heading back to his desk when the bell goes he waits till the bell has gone then goes to the loo so gets to class 5 minutes after everyone else?
I can see why she's not amused, she's having to regularly wait 5 minutes for your son before she can start teaching.

Schlimbesserung · 21/02/2018 20:26

There is a children's bladder and bowel issues charity, they have loads of really helpful information that may help.
www.eric.org.uk/

waterrat · 21/02/2018 20:27

It makes me sad how much kids are expected to put up with from teachers.

He is using the time allotted for going to the toilet snd she is having a go at him about it. He is a primary age child.
This is just unacceptable from the teacher to make such an issue of something so minor. He needed to go - he went at the right time - she is nit picking about it. Not fair.

Kids should be given some kindness and respect from teachers not constantly picked at and ordered to follow petty rules

It is not in any way a preparation for life as I am allowed to go to the toilet whenever I like !

waterrat · 21/02/2018 20:28

Jesus wept now kids are expected to only use the toilet at lunchtime or break - not even in a normal pause between lessons. He is 10 years old he may well not need the toilet specifically between 12 and 1 and May need to go later.

What a sad way to treat kids.

PeppermintPasty · 21/02/2018 20:35

You all make excellent points, thank you very much for replying.

To the poster who said had I not noticed this an an issue before..I have thought he goes quite a bit (but then, I always did when I was a child?), but I didn't know there was an issue at school until the new teacher took it on, if you like.

I do agree that she will not know my child, indeed any of them, very well, and will be grappling with that. His previous teacher was very attuned to him and 'got' him in a lot of ways (this issue never came up at all, interestingly).

At night he can go through many a night without peeing until say, 6.30 or 7. This made me think the issue is more anxiety related to leaving the house/travelling etc, and now school.

Re the question of him going right at the end of lunch, and that being irritating to the teacher, I get that. But that is exactly how his peeing-anxiety (or whatever it is) plays out-he always has to go 'at the last minute' as if he's worried that he won't get a chance for ages so he leaves it to the last minute.

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ozymandiusking · 21/02/2018 20:35

Cranberry juice or tablets are usually taken if a urine infection is present, or in some cases as a preventative measure. As it can cause the urine to be more acidic, this would cause more irritation to the bladder, so I don't think at the moment this would be a good idea.
I would make an appointment to see your G.P. and see what he has to say.
I don't care what the teacher says, if my child wanted to go to the loo, I would make bloody sure to the teacher that he had to go when he wanted to go, anything but, would make him more stressed and want to go even more.

PeppermintPasty · 21/02/2018 20:39

Oh, and when I say he goes at the last minute at say, the end of lunch, I don't mean he's held it all through the break-he goes during the lunch break too!!

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IhaveChillyToes · 21/02/2018 20:48

How was he with potty training?

Did he use potty or toilet and then just before going out go again?

Perhaps without telling him just note down how often he goes when spending the day at home like at weekend - when there isn't any stress of "make sure you go to toilet before we go to the shops etc"

Just spend a day at home chilling and see how often he goes

Interesting that he can go thru night sometimes

Agree with others go to GP, cos then at least he could have medical letter to give to school

How much does he get yo drink during school day? Do they have water bottles or fountain?

AnotherOriginalUsername · 21/02/2018 20:52

I agree with the others regarding seeing his GP and discussing it, but in the shorter term, could you talk to him about managing it a little better - he's 11, he ought to be able to wear a watch and know to go to the toilet 5 minutes before the end of break and lunch time so that he's back in lessons on time

PeppermintPasty · 21/02/2018 20:56

Nothing at all remarkable about his potty training, it was pretty smooth as I recall.

He has a water bottle at school, sometimes he drinks most of it, but sometimes way too little (imo). Again, this made me think it's more anxiety related.

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AjasLipstick · 21/02/2018 21:06

Get him a watch and show him how to time his last minute wees more effectively.

If lunch ends at 1.00 for example...discuss how going at 12.55 won't work.

Show him how he needs to go earlier and at what time.

Obviously this doesn't address what's behind the thing which is anxiety by the sound of it but for now it might help him feel in control.

shouldwestayorshouldwego · 21/02/2018 21:08

I have found with these type of issues either a phone call to the GP or a trip alone first is useful- I would personally just ring for this. It gives you a chance to tell them the problem- that you think it might be partly anxiety but want to rule out other issues. Explain about school rules and secondary. They might suggest keeping a diary, bringing a urine sample etc so that when you take ds you have already set the scene and they have a plan of action.

Sara107 · 21/02/2018 21:33

I would say you need to speak to his teacher and explain that he suffers from a slightly overactive bladder (that's certainly what it sounds like, and I agree with others that it would be worth getting that checked out). The teacher needs to know that if he needs to go, he needs to be allowed to go. My dD has overactive bladder / slight incontinence and she has permission to go to the loo whenever she needs, and her teacher and other staff are very supportive.

MissEliza · 21/02/2018 21:48

My ds was like this when he was in year 1. We took him to the gp who felt it might be more a psychological urge than a physical need. He asked my ds to try to ignore the urge to go. After about a week, he developed a more normal pattern. I would see a GP.

Jassmells · 21/02/2018 21:53

Not ruling out the anxiety but it could be a stricture? Especially if he takes a long time to go. Has he ever had a sports injury down there?

goose1964 · 21/02/2018 21:58

My middle soon is still like this in his 20s, jokes he has a child's bladder.I must admit I always use the loo before I go out

peachgreen · 21/02/2018 22:07

OP, I've only just seen this thread so I didn't report it myself but just to explain why people did - there's a known troll who repeatedly registers new names to post threads about children's toilet habits in order to solicit stories from others (presumably for sexual gratification). Sad but true. So people are a bit wary about threads like this.

KittyVonCatsington · 21/02/2018 22:13

People have reported this? You're kidding me? Wow. Good grief.

I haven’t reported but there is a very well known AIBU wee troll who gets off on starting school children wee and lesson time threads. As MNHQ said, better be safe than sorry and nothing personal against you!

KittyVonCatsington · 21/02/2018 22:14

Oh x post there-serves me right for taking so long!

PeppermintPasty · 21/02/2018 22:17

Oh I SEE! Thanks peachgreen. I have to say I was mystified, not a very exciting thing to make up! But now you come to mention it I think I saw a reference to something along those lines not long ago.

So, I've given said troll a thrill I guess. Ah well.

I think I joined MN well over ten years ago, just before ds was born in fact, so more like 11, but I've not been posting regularly for a fair while.

Thanks again everyone.

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PeppermintPasty · 21/02/2018 22:19

Haha Kitty, even down to weeks and lessons. Oh my god no wonder then. Thankfully those threads have passed me by. I am usually lurking on the relationship board to be fair.

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PeppermintPasty · 21/02/2018 22:20

Wees not weeks!

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TrashPanda · 21/02/2018 22:24

I would do a GP trip to rule out physical causes but it does sound psychological.

I can not go for a long time, hours and hours if I'm somewhere with easy and free access to a toilet, at home or at work for example. But I have to go before I leave work to go home, even if I went 20 minutes ago and home is a 5 minute drive because if I don't I will be desperate as soon as I am unable to go. I'm the same at bed time, I can go and then decide to go to bed 10 minutes later and have to go again as otherwise I can't settle to sleep.

I know several other people who are the same but as adults we are allowed to do that. I don't know how much of it stems from scenarios like school where you aren't allowed to go when you need to, only in breaks, but I wouldn't be surprised if it has roots back then.

Butteredparsn1ps · 21/02/2018 22:42

GP would be a good start, as it's important to rule out a physiological cause, but sometimes people need bladder "retraining" to become used to holding a few hundred mls of urine at a time. From the history you have given, this is a possibility. (and if so, easily solved).

Whilst waiting for a GP appt, can I suggest buying a cheap measuring jug and asking him to wee in it for a day or two to check how much he is weeing each time? The information will help the GP in their assessment. The GP will probably also ask you about the colour of the urine.

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