To hope that we can follow Iceland in banning male circumcision

[GladAllOver]

It really is time that this nasty practice is stopped.
www.theguardian.com/society/2018/feb/18/iceland-ban-male-circumcision-first-european-country

'I just want to understand why people still think it’s legal if there is overwhelming opposition to the practice?' you understand how laws are passed correct?

Tens of the thousands of boys each year in the states experience immediate complications with 5% going on to have long lasting damage.

Someone posted upthread that 100 baby boys die each year as a result of circumcision.

I'd like to see a link to that information, please, just to double check that they're including circumcisions taking place in surgical surroundings in that figure.

Google urethral damage in boys, far higher in circumcision men.

But no one seems particularly interested in getting any laws passed - that’s my point. If public opinion was reflective of the views on here there would be protests etc surely

Bluelady

You haven't answered any questions put to you.

Why is it irrational to say God telling people to mutilate their babies is bollocks?

Do you have any argument actively in favour of circumcision (not just trying to claim it's not that bad) other than 'its always been done'?

Out of four million males who have been circumcised 20% experience urethral issues and other issues on that area.

The general lack of support for a ban from circumcised men is one of the issues on that no-one on this thread seems keen to address. So far its been suggested that their opinions/experience don't really count because they don't know what they're missing the ability to orgasm normally or have good sex apparently.

I don't have to answer anything. I'm not actively in favour of circumcision. Not my circus.

Now a country has come out and said enough... It's a strong move that will make others question it.

What percentage of men, circumcised or not, experience urethral problems?

BarbarianMum

I'd say it's probably a cultural thing. It doesn't seem odd on face value because everyone is just used to it. It's only when you start to actually think about it that you realise how strange the whole thing is. (Like religion in general to be honest but that is a different point)

I remember being told about circumcision at school and thinking it was a weird thing to do, but as a child I was happy to take it at face value that 'its a tradition' and that makes it ok.

As an adult I'm not.

I guess there isn't a great deal of interest in a UK ban because most people in the UK wouldn't even consider doing it, so it doesn't come up on their radar. And the people whose radar it's on are the ones doing it.

Barbarian what do you you think about one baby per month being rushed to one hospital with life threatening injuries?

And do you believe that Jewish parents are bad parents?

the ability to orgasm normally or have good sex apparently.

Which isn't true either. My DH was circumcised for medical reasons as was an ex no issues with sex what so ever.

Thanks for the comparison between circumcision and tattooing. It's apt, I think. Tattooing has been used as a marker of identity in Polynesia for centuries. As I said about circumcision, I wouldn't want it for my son. But I'm not sodding Polynesian, and therefore tattooing doesn't mean anything to me.
Another point. We all agree, I hope, that FGM is horrific and is quite rightly illegal. But when you hear people who know what the hell they're talking about, talking about fighting FGM, they talk in terms of educating both children and adults, perpetrators being victims themselves, and respecting people's dignity. They don't talk in terms of telling people to fuck off and saying their deeply-held beliefs are bollocks.
Boils my piss when people try to make out they care, when it's just an excuse to say "Oh, these funny dark people, aren't they backwards?" Not that Western society can be all that proud of itself. As people have pointed out elsewhere, we seem to have arrived at a situation where kids that aren't girly or butch enough for their own sex are at risk of mutilation to make them fit into the other.

Bluelady

Yet you're happy to portray anyone against the genital mutilation of boys as somehow 'religiously persecuting' people?

Kim

I believe that anybody who genitally mutilates their children is at best indoctrinated and is perpetuating a cycle of religious abuse.

Maybe not intentionally but that doesn't really make it better does it?

Is it not increasingly popular across the African continent due to studies pointing towards the idea that circumsised males seem to have less chance of contacting HIV. If that’s the case it warrants full investigation.

A baby is not Jewish or Muslim or Christian. It has no religion because it cannot yet consent. You cannot force or coerce a person to become your religion. Hence you cannot and should not do irreversible things to your baby in order for them to belong to a religious group.

The suggestion that religious beliefs are not based on any evidence is bollocks. And infant male circumcision is hardly 'mutilation'. We all make choices for our children in line with our religious beliefs. It's naive to argue that we shouldn't force our beliefs on our children - of course we're going to. And the state can't and shouldn't intervene with that. If infection etc is a problem then regulate the way circumcisions can be done - but it's it the place of the law to decide what o's right for a child over the parents unless there is a strong likelihood of harm.

@PigletWasPoohsFriend I have now RTFT and my assumption were correct so no looking silly here. There have been accusations of religious persecution, one poster happily informed us her newborn sons didn't "feel a thing" and several quoting health facts, including one poster confidently claiming Jewish women are less likely to get cervical cancer.

Twisting my words again. Good at that aren't you?

The vast majority of circumcisions in this country are carried out in the Jewish and Muslim communities. It is an inherent element of those two faiths. Ergo a prohibition of circumcision could be construed as religious persecution.

Please don't put any more words in my mouth or twist what I've said as plainly and simply as I know how.

Any parents who take the their fragile baby to what is essentially a back street unqualified butcher to mutilate their baby... Who then ends up rushed to a and e with serious injuries is a bad parent yes. Because they are actively putting their child in harms way and they are only lucky if that baby survives and survives without any complications.