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Trump Talk: or, Lift every voice and sing

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lionheart · 17/02/2018 19:58

It's Black History Month and the fight goes on (plus, we all need a boost that does not come from ye olde hop flask).

Lift every voice and sing

Till earth and heaven ring,
Ring with the harmonies of Liberty;
Let our rejoicing rise
High as the listening skies,
Let it resound loud as the rolling sea.
Sing a song full of the faith that the dark past has taught us,
Sing a song full of the hope that the present has brought us.

Facing the rising sun of our new day begun,
Let us march on till victory is won.

Stony the road we trod,
Bitter the chastening rod,
Felt in the days when hope unborn had died;

Yet with a steady beat,
Have not our weary feet
Come to the place for which our fathers sighed?
We have come over a way that with tears has been watered,
We have come, treading our path through the blood of the slaughtered,
Out from the gloomy past,

Till now we stand at last
Where the white gleam of our bright star is cast.

God of our weary years,

God of our silent tears,
Thou who hast brought us thus far on the way;
Thou who hast by Thy might

Led us into the light,
Keep us forever in the path, we pray.
Lest our feet stray from the places, our God, where we met Thee,
Lest, our hearts drunk with the wine of the world, we forget Thee;
Shadowed beneath Thy hand,

May we forever stand.

True to our God,
True to our native land.

James Weldon Johnson (1900)

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/02/2018 14:55

What’s the Truth About the NRA’s Man in Moscow?

Russian politician and Putin ally Alexander Torshin is wanted as a mobster money launderer in Spain. Is his Trump connection as sinister as it sounds?

www.thedailybeast.com/whats-the-truth-about-the-nras-man-in-moscow?via=twitter_page

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/02/2018 15:12

Reuters Top News
‏*@Reuters*
JUST IN: U.S. gun stocks down in morning trade, Sturm Ruger down 1.1 percent, American Outdoor Brands down 1.3 percent, Vista Outdoor down 0.4 percent

Also

CNN
‏*@CNN*
President Trump's aides and outside allies are attempting to convince him that he has done enough when it comes to proposing gun safety measures, assuring him he doesn't need to go any further, a source inside the White House and a source outside tell CNN

Allies urge Trump to not go further on gun control measures
edition.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/donald-trump-gun-control-measures/index.html

Also

Kaitlan Collins
‏*@kaitlancollins*
Despite saying he doesn't think he will clash with the NRA, Trump is really backing them into a corner by repeatedly saying how they are good people who are "going to do the right thing." What if they don't support the measures he proposes?

cozietoesie · 23/02/2018 15:19

Ha. They won't either support them or directly oppose them at the moment, I reckon. They'll mumble a lot and hope that this all goes away.

cozietoesie · 23/02/2018 15:20

In public at least. Wink

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/02/2018 15:25

As long as they're the last ones to mumble into his ear, they'll get what they want.

More hypocrisy

J.D. Durkin‏Verified account
@jiveDurkey
long security line to get into #CPAC2018 where, for the record, firearms are strictly prohibited

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/02/2018 15:31

Barak Ravid‏Verified account
@BarakRavid
BREAKING: U.S. embassy to move to Jerusalem on May 14th, Israeli and U.S. officials told me

[a lot earlier than anticipated. a dead cat? trying to get shit done before the house of cards collapses?]

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/02/2018 15:37

Denizcan James
‏*@MrFilmkritik*
You know, when I said I wanted the real world to be more like Harry Potter I just meant the teleportation and the magic stuff, not the entire plot of book 5 where the government refuses to do anything about a deadly threat so the teenagers have to rise up and fight back.

cozietoesie · 23/02/2018 15:38

If it comes to pass - and I think it's still moot - it will likely be to help Bibi.

GingerIvy · 23/02/2018 16:36

Frida Ghitis

Verified account

@FridaGhitis
1m1 minute ago
Bad news for Trump: Rick Gates, important Trump Campaign Aide, will plead Guilty in Russia investigation. Will cooperate with Mueller probe nyti.ms/2sLOu2Z

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/02/2018 16:51

The whole article on it is posted upthread (for those who can’t get behind the paywall Smile)

Judd Legum
@JuddLegum
BREAKING: Symantec, owner of Norton and LifeLock, dumps the NRA (link: goo.gl/SjTFkF)

@NortonOnline and @LifeLock will no longer offer discounts to NRA members (link: goo.gl/SjTFkF) goo.gl/SjTFkF

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/02/2018 17:02

The New York Times
@nytimes
Florida’s Republican governor has unveiled a gun control proposal that raises the age limit for assault rifle purchases, in defiance of the NRA

t.co/PYF6kxL3LQ?amp=1

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/02/2018 17:10

Trump has been reading “the snake” at the cpac. Deeds not words usually but this is highlighting the continuation/celebration of his white supremacist ways

Hayes Brown
@HayesBrown
REMINDER: Trump started out doing The Snake to talk about Radical Islam but now it's about All Immigrants so this is totally not disturbing

www.buzzfeed.com/salvadorhernandez/trump-read-the-snake-on-his-100th-day-as-president-as-a?utm_term=.uh6XOovNK#.er2QaXWEj [the article is from last year as he read it then too, as well as repeatedly during the campaign]

And

Steve Schmidt
@SteveSchmidtSES
Trumps snake story is vicious, disgraceful, utterly racist and profoundly Un-American. That this is how an American President speaks of immigration is a tragedy. This crowd of cheering extremists are the heirs of the Know-Nothing’s and nativists that have always plagued us .

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Sarah Kendzior
@sarahkendzior
You know by now The Snake is an autobiographical confession, right? Because Trump can't just screw you over, he needs to flaunt that you were gullible enough to give him a chance? We don't need to explain this again, right?

Trump doesn't want to get caught and be punished, but he delights in being caught and going unpunished

Occasionally, under stress, he expresses frustration that he is able to be so terrible and dupes continually give him a pass. Then you get a borderline confession:

thecorrespondent.com/5860/donald-trump-russia-and-the-mystery-of-these-people/986144339620-59b2da13

The Snake was one of many bits in 2016 that spelled out his intentions. Even his campaign music: "Sympathy for the Devil", "It's the End of the World As We Know It", "Music of the Night" from Phantom of the Opera?

He telegraphed it. He can't resist.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/02/2018 17:28

On white supremacy:

Inside Atomwaffen As It Celebrates a Member for Allegedly Killing a Gay Jewish College Student

ProPublica obtained the chat logs of Atomwaffen, a notorious white supremacist group. When Samuel Woodward was charged with killing 19-year-old Blaze Bernstein last month in California, other Atomwaffen members cheered the death, concerned only that the group’s cover might have been blown.

www.propublica.org/article/atomwaffen-division-inside-white-hate-group

And

USA : Almost a year on, White Supremacist Terrorist James Harris Jackson has still not come to trial.

www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/terrorism-charges-white-man-accused-hunting-down-black-men-n739146

And

There’s an alt-right alt-Twitter and it’s filled with hate

www.newscientist.com/article/2161933-theres-an-alt-right-alt-twitter-and-its-filled-with-hate/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=SOC&utm_source=Twitter#link_time=1519363078

And

Evan McMullin‏Verified account
@Evan_McMullin
Many hope Trump's white nationalism is a passing GOP anomaly, but when @CPAC invites Marion Le Pen - a leader of Europe's pro-Russia, anti-Semitic, nationalist movement - to speak after Pence, it's a sign that Trumpism is the party's new strategic direction, not a 24-hour flu.

Leah McElrath 🗽
@leahmcelrath
People need to understand:

White supremacist authoritarianism is a GLOBAL MOVEMENT pushed and supported by Putin and others (kleptocratic billionaires).

Goals include destroying EVERY democracy from the inside-out, breaking up the EU and NATO, and enabling Russian imperialism.

From late 2016:

My iMoment about Putin’s white male supremacist movement and what “the Swamp” REALLY means (it’s not what you think):

twitter.com/i/moments/808692098358800384

And (from this morning)

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account
@realDonaldTrump
MS-13 gang members are being removed by our Great ICE and Border Patrol Agents by the thousands, but these killers come back in from El Salvador, and through Mexico, like water. El Salvador just takes our money, and Mexico must help MORE with this problem. We need The Wall!

And

Judd Legum
@JuddLdegum

  1. After the Charleston shootings @replouiegohmert and @tedcruz promised to donate money to the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church.

Both men had accepted campaign donations from Earl Holt, a white supremacist leader who inspired the shootings.

  1. Gohmert promised to donate $2500 and Cruz promised to donate $11,000 to the church.

A ThinkProgress investigation reveals that neither man fulfilled their pledge to the church where the victims were gunned down.

  1. Gohmert made his $2500 pledge in June 2015. FEC filings show no record of the donation to the church. We talked to the church and they have no record of a contribution from Gohmert. Numerous contacts to Gohmert's office went unreturned.
  1. Cruz promised to donate $11,000 to the church. He ended up donating $8700 and returning $2300 to Holt, the white supremacist leader. The campaign claimed it was obligated to return the $2300 but had no explanation why they couldn't fulfill their pledge.
  1. Cruz still has over $70K in his presidential campaign account and that's AFTER donating $100,000 to his presidential campaign.

Just to make it clear what happened: Louie Gohmert promised to donate funds he received from a white supremacist to the survivors of the Charleston church shooting inspired by that white supremacist.

Instead, it appears, he kept the money.

thinkprogress.org/cruz-gohmert-charleston-3b53beae291f/

And

Bruce Bartlett
@BruceBartlett
Missouri GOP defends governor caught in revenge porn scheme by ranting about George Soros www.rawstory.com/2018/02/missouri-gop-defends-governor-caught-revenge-porn-scheme-ranting-george-soros/ The name "Soros" is code for Jews among the alt-right.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/02/2018 17:37

The new scientist link is paywalled

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/02/2018 17:39

Judd Legum
@JuddLegum
BREAKING: SimpliSafe cuts ties with the NRA

It's the fourth major corporation to drop the NRA in the last 24 hours

thinkprogress.org/simplisafe-cuts-ties-with-the-nra-524c33be3544/

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/02/2018 17:56

We've gone from expectation to it actually being filed in court. He's pleading guilty to 2 charges - conspiracy against the United States (!) and making a false statement to the FBI on Feb 1, 2018

RICK GATES TO PLEAD GUILTY: Former Trump Campaign Aide To Cooperate With Mueller

talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/gates-mueller-plea-deal-entered

And

Mike Levine‏Verified account
@MLevineReports
This is essentially what Mueller’s prosecutors allege in new charging document, and what we expect former Trump aide Rick Gates to plead guilty to later today...

twitter.com/MLevineReports/status/967091934241140736

Matthew Miller
@matthewamiller
More Matthew Miller Retweeted Mike Levine
I can’t even imagine what was going through Gates’ mind to lie during his proffer, when the only way your statements can be used against you is if you lie.

PerkingFaintly · 23/02/2018 17:59

My gob is smacked learning about the ties these corporations had with the NRA in the first place.

Norton Online giving discounts for members of the National Rifle Association? Just why?

cozietoesie · 23/02/2018 18:12

Goodness. Mr M is playing hardball?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/02/2018 18:16

Missed off including the original documents!

assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4386213/2-23-18-Gates-Information.pdf

PerkingFaintly · 23/02/2018 18:23
Shock
GingerIvy · 23/02/2018 18:32

Imagine the tweet storm from Trump tonight....

GingerIvy · 23/02/2018 18:49

Steve Herman‏Verified account
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US embassy in #Jerusalem will open in May to coincide with the 70th anniversary of the State of Israel, confirms @StateDept.

lionheart · 23/02/2018 18:54

Ana Navarro

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Trump spoke at CPAC.
-He lead crowd in chants of “Lock her up!” against Hillary Clinton. Ironic, considering many of his close associates indicted or have plead guilty.
-He lead crowd in booing John McCain. Pathetic, considering McCain is home dealing w/ravages of brain cancer.

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GingerIvy · 23/02/2018 19:06

Eric Schultz

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@EricSchultz
9m9 minutes ago
This is a major victory for @evertown and a significant defeat for the NRA. Carry Guard was a way for the NRA to profit from gun owners who are concerned about being accused of murder. It's disgusting and dangerous. twitter.com/Reuters/status/967076547000700931

Reuters Top News

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2h2 hours ago
Insurer Chubb says will stop underwriting NRA insurance for gun owners reut.rs/2CgyolV