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Trump Talk: or, Lift every voice and sing

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lionheart · 17/02/2018 19:58

It's Black History Month and the fight goes on (plus, we all need a boost that does not come from ye olde hop flask).

Lift every voice and sing

Till earth and heaven ring,
Ring with the harmonies of Liberty;
Let our rejoicing rise
High as the listening skies,
Let it resound loud as the rolling sea.
Sing a song full of the faith that the dark past has taught us,
Sing a song full of the hope that the present has brought us.

Facing the rising sun of our new day begun,
Let us march on till victory is won.

Stony the road we trod,
Bitter the chastening rod,
Felt in the days when hope unborn had died;

Yet with a steady beat,
Have not our weary feet
Come to the place for which our fathers sighed?
We have come over a way that with tears has been watered,
We have come, treading our path through the blood of the slaughtered,
Out from the gloomy past,

Till now we stand at last
Where the white gleam of our bright star is cast.

God of our weary years,

God of our silent tears,
Thou who hast brought us thus far on the way;
Thou who hast by Thy might

Led us into the light,
Keep us forever in the path, we pray.
Lest our feet stray from the places, our God, where we met Thee,
Lest, our hearts drunk with the wine of the world, we forget Thee;
Shadowed beneath Thy hand,

May we forever stand.

True to our God,
True to our native land.

James Weldon Johnson (1900)

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Lweji · 23/02/2018 01:20

They're basically calling Trump et al hypocrites.

This is not from the satire section, though.

Australia confiscated 650,000 guns. Murders and suicides plummeted.

sciencedoesntcare.com/health/australia-confiscated-650000-guns-murders-suicides-plummeted

cozietoesie · 23/02/2018 01:28

I recall going out with a friend and two American guys for a (wonderful) Chinese meal in London, once. 'My' American was a great guy - or seemed so. And then he got onto the subject of guns. (And his personal.........collection.)

The evening ended forthwith.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/02/2018 06:13

Enterprise Holdings, one of the world's largest rental-car companies, is ending a key partnership with the NRA, Business Insider reports

amp.businessinsider.com/nra-members-wont-get-any-more-enterprise-rental-car-discounts-2018-2?__twitter_impression=true

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/02/2018 06:14

Four senior administration officials tell @Reuters that H.R. McMaster and John Kelly might quit because of "longstanding frictions" with Trump, including disputes over Jared Kushner's security clearance.

mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1G7001

boatyardblues · 23/02/2018 06:21

Its great some of the brands associated with NRA have realised how toxic the links are and are disassociating themselves. No wonder NRA is fighting back so hardv- they can see the national moid has shifted against them and are running scared. Their campaign of disinformation about the Florida students seems particularly ill advised and will likely further harden public opinion against them. Good!

boatyardblues · 23/02/2018 06:22

Mood...

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/02/2018 06:26

So as well as the first national bank of Omaha terminating it’s nra Visa card, three car rental companies have stopped their contract since for nra member discounts too (Enterprise is the conglomerate company of the three) Star

Three major car rental companies dump the NRA

thinkprogress.org/alamo-national-enterprise-dump-nra-35d326965744/

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/02/2018 06:35

(I don’t know how big they are - they’re an online shop apparently - but it all adds up to a movement)

TopatoCo
@topatoco
We will no longer be offering @FedEx shipping as an option until they reconsider their partnership with @NRA.

OuaisMaisBon · 23/02/2018 06:47

Does anyone know if this has happened after earlier shootings - I mean some businesses cutting their ties with the NRA? Or is this a first? Wouldn't it be great if there were an actual roll here and finally the NRA had to listen to the money instead of doling it out to GOP politicians!

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/02/2018 06:50

MIT to applicants: Being disciplined for protesting guns won’t affect admission

www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2018/02/22/mit-other-colleges-promise-applicants-that-joining-national-gun-protests-won-impact-admissions-decisions/oSYIZG6CtQ01FPiwaLonPN/story.html

OuaisMaisBon · 23/02/2018 06:55

I like that, Pain, in stark contrast to that Texan school which is planning to suspend students for 3 days if they participate in any action to protest against gun massacres.
I presume I found this Vox link here yesterday, but just in case I didn't!

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/02/2018 06:56

BlackRock puts gunmakers on notice after Florida school shooting

mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1G62PC?__twitter_impression=true

(Reuters) - The world's largest asset manager put U.S. gunmakers on notice on Thursday that it is no longer business as usual in the wake of a shooting that killed 17 at a Florida high school.

BlackRock Inc said it will speak with weapons manufacturers and distributors "to understand their response" to the second-deadliest shooting at a public school in U.S. history, putting pressure on companies such as Sturm Ruger & Company Inc and American Outdoor Brands Corp.

BlackRock is the largest shareholder in both gunmakers and has more than $6 trillion in assets under management. It stopped short of saying it would divest its funds of gun companies, however.

[...]New Jersey legislators on Thursday said they plan to introduce bills to bar state pension funds from investing in gun manufacturers.

BlackRock said it cannot sell shares of a company in an index, given its fiduciary responsibilities. Instead, "We focus on engaging with the company and understanding how they are responding to society's expectations of them," BlackRock spokesman Ed Sweeney said in an email.

Sweeney declined to give more specifics, such as what if any changes BlackRock might seek at weapons makers or at retailers that sell their products.

But with so much money under management, BlackRock often has among the largest stakes in U.S. public companies, giving it much potential influence over their policies.

It owns about 17 percent of the total shares of Sturm Ruger and has about 11 percent of American Outdoor Brands, for instance, according to U.S. regulatory filings. The shares are largely held in funds that track indexes, such as the $6 billion iShares U.S. Aerospace & Defense ETF.

[...]BlackRock CEO Larry Fink in January wrote a letter to corporate executives saying that companies need to show how they make "a positive contribution to society" in addition to delivering financial performance.

And he said that BlackRock would increase its own engagement with companies to improve its oversight over those companies, doubling to 64 the number of people it has dedicated to "investment stewardship," its team that focuses on other company's governance.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/02/2018 06:58

ouais the Texan school is acting illegally! I had a link somewhere - will try to dig it up

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/02/2018 07:03

Caroline O.
@RVAwonk
·
1h
Eight days after the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, Google searches for "gun control" aren't dropping off.

This really... hasn't happened before.

Florida teens break cycle, keep America focused on guns for 8 days straight

shareblue.com/florida-teens-break-cycle-keep-america-focused-on-guns-for-8-days-straight/

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/02/2018 07:09

[there are the inevitable pushbacks

Daniel Dale
@ddale8
From December: South Carolina’s highway patrol is seeking funding to arm all troopers with AR-15s, as they say shotguns are no longer good enough in an AR-15 world. Fifty troopers, claiming concern about being outgunned, bring their own AR-15s to work.

www.postandcourier.com/politics/some-s-c-troopers-carry-their-own-high-powered-rifles/article_3cd43cbc-e4fa-11e7-babb-73bc32588211.html

And

The Hill
@thehill
Pennsylvania church to hold blessing ceremony for AR-15s (link: hill.cm/uyvLfNx) ]

Lweji · 23/02/2018 07:14

Teenagers:
Backchatting
Stubborn
Idealistic
Passionate
Know it all
Social media junkies

Grin

I bet NRA bosses wished those teens were harnessing their powers just to hold parties when the parents are away.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/02/2018 07:29
Hmm

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
“School shooting survivor says he quit @CNN Town Hall after refusing scripted question.” @TuckerCarlson. Just like so much of CNN, Fake News. That’s why their ratings are so bad! MSNBC may be worse.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/02/2018 07:30

joel tyler
@joeltyler_
You literally had a card in your hand to remind you to say “I hear you” to shooting victims during your listening session. Unlike you, these incredible teenagers you’re attacking with conspiracy theories don’t need a script to say the obvious right things.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/02/2018 07:54

Leah McElrath 🗽
@leahmcelrath
STOP explaining why arming teachers won’t work.

EVERY explanation reinforces the idea as a possibility.

IT IS NOT A POSSIBILITY.

The idea is NOT MEANT as a viable solution. It never was.

The idea is meant as a distraction to weaken the push for BANNING ASSAULT WEAPONS, etc.

NO stake-holding group supports this insanity:

Teachers don’t.
Law enforcement doesn’t.
Parents don’t.
Children don’t.

While Donald Trump, Betsy DeVos, Erik Prince, and Wayne La Pierre might dream of this as part of their not-here-yet dystopia, IT IS NOT ACTUALLY A THING.

Every time we REPEAT their false narrative - even in explaining a refutation of it - we are HELPING MAKE IT A THING.

WE must define the terms of this debate, NOT engage in THEIR terms.

✅ BAN ASSAULT WEAPONS
✅ DEMAND UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECKS
✅ CLOSE LOOPHOLES

#NeverAgain

Amplify the voices of LEOs, vets, and teachers who refute the idea with the authority of stakeholders.

Fine.

But what I’m seeing is everyone starting to engage with THIS horror as the new baseline.

If we cede that ground, we’ve already lost.

ohfortuna · 23/02/2018 09:56

Their campaign of disinformation about the Florida students seems particularly ill advised and will likely further harden public opinion against them. Good!
You mean the NRA have shot themselves in the foot....
😄😅😆

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/02/2018 10:56
Grin

Sarah Chadwick// #NEVERAGAIN‏Verified account
@sarahchad_
We should change the names of AR-15s to “Marco Rubio” because they are so easy to buy.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/02/2018 11:08

What is wrong with people

Fla. shooting survivor's mother: We have received death threats

thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/375053-florida-shooting-survivors-mother-we-have-received-death

Fekko · 23/02/2018 12:24

^"a Florida state lawmaker's aide was fired hours after claiming two survivors of the Florida shooting — including Hogg — who had appeared on television were actors.

Benjamin Kelly, an aide to state Rep. Shawn Harrison (R), emailed a Tampa Bay Times reporter after Hogg and Emma González called for legislation to stop gun violence in an appearance on CNN.

According to Tampa Bay Times reporter Alex Leary, the staffer said, "Both kids in the picture are not students here but actors that travel to various crisis when they happen."

Florida House Speaker Richard Corcoran (R) later tweeted that he fired Kelly."^

This is just dumbfounding.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/02/2018 14:34

CBS News
@CBSNews
NEW: President Trump is expected to announce new sanctions against North Korea during his CPAC speech, according to released excerpts; sanctions will target 56 vessels, shipping companies and trade businesses "that are assisting North Korea in evading sanctions"

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/02/2018 14:52

Rick Gates, Trump Campaign Aide, to Plead Guilty in Mueller Inquiry and Cooperate

www.nytimes.com/2018/02/23/us/politics/rick-gates-guilty-plea-mueller-investigation.html?smprod=nytcore-ipad&smid=nytcore-ipad-share

WASHINGTON — A former top adviser to Donald J. Trump’s presidential campaign indicted by the special counsel was expected to plead guilty as soon as Friday afternoon, according to two people familiar with his plea agreement, a move that signals he is cooperating with the investigation into Russia’s interference in the 2016 election.

The adviser, Rick Gates, is a longtime political consultant who once served as Mr. Trump’s deputy campaign chairman. The plea deal could be a significant development in the investigation — a sign that Mr. Gates plans to offer incriminating information against his longtime associate and the former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, or other members of the Trump campaign in exchange for a lighter punishment.

The deal comes as the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, has been raising pressure on Mr. Gates and Mr. Manafort with dozens of new charges of money laundering and bank fraud that were unsealed on Thursday. Mr. Mueller first indicted both men in October, and both pleaded not guilty.

Mr. Gates’s primary concern has been protecting his family, both emotionally and financially, from the prospect of a drawn-out trial, according to a person familiar with his defense strategy who was not authorized to publicly discuss the case and spoke on the condition of anonymity.

If Mr. Manafort continues to fight the charges in a trial, testimony from Mr. Gates could give Mr. Mueller’s team a first-person account of the criminal conduct that is claimed in the indictments — a potential blow to Mr. Manafort’s defense strategy.

It was unclear exactly what Mr. Gates might have to offer the special counsel’s team, whether about Mr. Manafort or about other members of the Trump campaign. Neither indictment indicated that either Mr. Gates or Mr. Manafort had information about the central question of Mr. Mueller’s investigation — whether President Trump or his aides coordinated with the Russian government’s efforts to disrupt the 2016 election.

But Mr. Gates was present for the most significant periods of activity of the campaign, as Mr. Trump began developing policy positions and his digital operation engaged with millions of voters on platforms such as Facebook. Even after Mr. Manafort was fired by Mr. Trump in August 2016, Mr. Gates remained on in a different role, as a liaison between the campaign and the Republican National Committee. He traveled aboard the Trump plane through Election Day.

The indictments detailed a wide-ranging scheme by Mr. Gates and Mr. Manafort to hide from American authorities millions of dollars they had earned as political consultants in Ukraine. The men worked in various capacities with Viktor F. Yanukovych, the onetime Ukrainian president and a longtime ally of President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia.

Mr. Mueller’s team found that more than $75 million passed through offshore accounts, and that Mr. Manafort laundered more than $30 million to pay for real estate and luxury goods in the United States. Mr. Gates transferred more than $3 million from the offshore accounts, court documents show.

After their work was disclosed in news reports in August 2016, when the two men were working for the Trump campaign, they “developed a false and misleading cover story” to distance themselves from Ukraine, according Mr. Mueller’s prosecutors.

The court papers unsealed Thursday describe an intricate scheme by Mr. Manafort and Mr. Gates, trying to shield tens of millions of dollars from the American tax authorities by transferring the funds through foreign bank accounts, including in Cyprus and the Seychelles.

“Manafort and Gates hid the existence and ownership of the foreign companies and bank accounts, falsely and repeatedly reporting to their tax preparers and to the United States that they had no foreign bank accounts,” the new indictment said.

The work the two men did for their firm, Davis Manafort, connected them to numerous people with ties to the Kremlin. One was Oleg Deripaska, an aluminum magnate and an ally of Mr. Putin. Mr. Deripaska has been denied a visa to travel to the United States because of allegations that he is linked to organized crime operations, claims he has denied.

In 2008, Mr. Gates took over the firm’s duties in Eastern Europe, where he worked on business development and contract negotiations.

Besides the charges against Mr. Manafort and Mr. Gates, the special counsel’s team has secured guilty pleas from two of Mr. Trump’s advisers. Michael T. Flynn, the president’s first national security adviser, and George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy aide during the campaign, have both pleaded guilty to lying to the F.B.I. and agreed to cooperate with the inquiry.