To think that inducing lactation in a man with illegal drugs is not the best way to feed a newborn?

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This is child abuse not a scientific breakthrough. For 6 weeks that baby was fed a mix of artificial hormones and banned medication to validate the gender identity of a man.

There is literally no other possible reason for doing this other than validation of the trans male's inner identity.

This person is supposed to want to be a parent. This "parent" is perfectly prepared to feed their child with an induced substance unchecked for potentially dangerous drug transfer or nutritional content and without any input from a paediatrician.

The HCPs should be struck off. The child should be removed from a clearly abusive parent who puts their own validation above the needs of their child to the extent of subjecting a baby to dangerous experimentation.

This isn't a trans issue per se. This is a child protection issue. It is an issue of a narcissistic parent with thinking so disordered that they cannot perceive of a baby as a human being in and of itself, only as an object in their identity.

It's a fucking disgrace. As is anyone actually defending this.

Just to rant a bit more...

... it's not the fault of the so-called transphobes that narcissism so out of control that it poses a risk to others seems to correlate so often with a trans identity. If trans parents want to be accepted in wider society, they need to abide by the same safeguarding duties and responsibilities that apply to the rest of us. I hope that baby is removed to a safe place, pronto.

Whoa there a minute .. only got a couple of posts through the thread and read this ?

Kitkatsky at 21:21

Seem to remember that first transgender to give birth had their baby EBF by their genetically female partner ...

Admittedly I am VERY new to this topic.. but when the fuck/how the fuck did that happen ??

Has there actually been a successful womb transplant that has gestated a baby to term. ? Is this now 'a thing' ?

On main topic thread, Utter self indulgent bollocks designed to gratify no one but the TG 'woman' . Certainly not in best interests of baby.

Kittens, it will have been a woman now identifying as male but clearly not having had any surgery or she would have been unable to sustain a pregnancy. It is still impossible for a biological male to become pregnant and give birth. Some males who identify as trans are very keen to get a womb transplant and become pregnant but they don't seem to grasp how complex it is. It doesn't seem to me to be a priority area for research, given how underfunded and low priority research/healthcare for pregnant women is.

I think science is going in a very odd and wrong way tbh.

Yeah, it will have been a female who said she was a man. Like all of the 'pregnant man, how amazing!!!' stories in the press. I roll my eyes everytime I see them..like..yes, dressing in 'mens clothes', changing your name and having short hair does not stop female people getting pregnant, who knew

And the 'first woman soldier on front line duties!' who is actually biologically male. Odd times.

Thank all the gods for that.! Thought I had been asleep and woken up into some strange (and not better) new world. !

When we have a postcode lottery for even a chance at pregnancy for actual women, and then a bloody slim chance at that. I can think of at least 25 more urgent fertility/gynaecological/pregnancy related areas of research that need to be sorted before this witchfuckery needs to even be a twinkle in the eye of some trophy-hunting mad research scientists.

Another thing I wanted to just point out in relation to hormones given. Humans consume a lot of dairy products.
Cow's are unnaturally producing this milk to meet the demand. They are artificially inseminat3d to produce calves which are then removed from the cow. The cow us pumped full of hormones to produce high milk yield and attached to pumps for large portions of the day. The cycle continues with no break as the cow produces milk is impregnated, has calf removed so they can continually produce milk when they are no longer fit to produce milk they are slaughtered, as are the calf's which no use in general.

This milk is drunk and eaten in different forms by many including babies who are formula fed. It contains many nasties but so many people believe it is needed

Ciws milk contains high calcium but the hunan body can absorb very little calcium in this form and would get so much more absorbed from other forms 8nc human milk. But we have all grown up 9n the propaganda 9f milk that it's very hard to move on t from the false belief

I clicked on this thread out of curiosity but I can't let these incorrect facts pass...

The cow us pumped full of hormones to produce high milk yield

No, this does not happen, and is illegal in the UK

and attached to pumps for large portions of the day.

Cows are milked once, twice or three times a day depending on the farm, each time they are attached to a cluster for between 5 and 8 minutes - hardly large portions of the day. For the rest of the day they mooch, eat and sleep.

The cycle continues with no break as the cow produces milk is impregnated,

The cow's milk yield drops naturally towards the end of her lactation. Then she is given a break of approximately two months before the next calf is born.

slaughtered, as are the calf's which no use in general.

Female dairy bred calves are reared to enter the herd when they mature. Male dairy calves, and both male and female beef bred calves are reared for beef.

Ciws milk contains high calcium but the hunan body can absorb very little calcium in this form

Cows milk also contains vitamin D which aids the absorption of calcium. It also contains complete proteins, high levels of omega 3 fatty acids and compounds such as zinc, vitamin E and selenium, all of which are beneficial.

Sorry for going off topic OP.

Yes, I don't want to detract from the main theme of the thread, but I would like to know what these 'nasties' are. This milk is drunk and eaten in different forms by many including babies who are formula fed. It contains many nasties but so many people believe it is needed

Bovine growth hormone which makes the cow mature quicker and produce milk quicker

If it's so easy being milk why don't they keep the calf's with them and feed then too? ALL THAT EATING AND MOOCHING WOULDN'T GIVE PENTYRCH OF TIME TO NURSE THERE own calf too.

Oh yes a 2 month break while they are pregnant. Usually delivering a new calf every 12 months not much of a break. This is currently a forced to farm a break as milk production diminishes towards delivery of a calf but they are developing ways to reduce the to a month.

Lots of farm slaughter male calf as they don't grow effectively to produce good meat due to the way they are bred

There are many foods that are beneficial and all those benefits are available without dairy milk.

If a study is done on human female and male milk and it determines this is a better source of milk for humans would it be acceptable to have human farms milking humans. What if the better source is ape milk or dog milk. Would we farm those animals in the same way??

I'm not saying that dairy farming is all bad but I think in relation to this debate I think it is worth considering

I’m very on the fence about this. I agree completely it seems to have been done to validate the identity as a woman, rather than in the best interests of the child. However I’m not so concerned about the hormones/ domperidone.

Inducing lactation is an off-license use of domperidone but it’s a common one. Many mothers use it to enhance their supply if they can find a sympathetic lactation consultant. Similarly, the progestogen and prolactin taken would naturally be present in a breastfeeding mother anyway, and does transfer to baby (both my baby boys lactated in the week or so after birth, due to hormone transfer, it’s relatively common and used to be called ‘witch’s milk’) but does not harm them. There’s no logical reason to think the domperidone or hormones would be problematic in this case either.

Breast tissue is breast tissue, whether male or female, and the milk it produces under the right conditions is the same substance.

There is also the argument that this milk would not be tailored to the baby, which is probably true in some respects but not others. The man’s milk would not have the ‘preprogramming’ of having carried the baby in pregnancy, but that is only one of the ways milk is tailored to suit a baby. One of the ways breastmilk produces tailored antibodies is by transfer of bacteria/ viruses from the babies mouth to the nipple, and the mother is then able to produce appropriate antibodies. I can’t see why this would not happen with a male nipple. And the man would still pass on his own immunities etc as a mother does, and the milk would still change in consistency etc in response to the baby’s feeding habits. And donor milk and formula milk are also not tailored to the baby, but are seen as acceptable alternatives.

I am though concerned about the way this is being celebrated when most mothers’ struggles and successes with breastfeeding are completely undervalued and underreported, and when breastfeeding support is so underfunded and largely done by the charity sector in this country. And I agree that since it only lasted six weeks it clearly wasn’t overly successful but wouldn’t like to speculate as to why . I also find the potential that this was a prop in AGP fairly grim, but that’s impossible to ascertain without knowing the individual concerned.

So yeah. Splintery-arse.

Disclaimer: not a doctor but a med student and peer supporter.

If this was really about 'feeding babies who otherwise wouldn't be fed' hmm then most of the focus would be on the analysis of the milk, the effects on the baby and whether it's something that can possibly go forward

This I can just about imagine that given that breast is best, if the female partner in a relationship cannot or will not breastfeed, perhaps it may be beneficial to the infant^ to be "breastfed" by the father.

But surely this should be properly studied - particularly is the make up of milk from a male the same as milk from a naturally lactating female? How much of the drugs are in the milk, and what may be the impact on the infant? Infants know their mothers when they are born, is there any psychological impact on the child if it is "breastfed" by the father?

In all of this the welfare of the infant is the most important thing, yet this experiment seemed to not take it into account at all - it was all about validating the father.

If it's so easy being milk why don't they keep the calf's with them and feed then too? ALL THAT EATING AND MOOCHING WOULDN'T GIVE PENTYRCH OF TIME TO NURSE THERE own calf too.

Some dairy farms do leave calves on the cows, (google calf at foot dairy), but it is rare, mainly because managing the cows with calves at foot is tricky and less efficient. And obviously it would reduce the milk produced. Since the liquid milk market is very competitive, unless you are niche like the calf at foot dairy people who usually bottle and sell their own milk, it's not really viable to keep calves on cows unfortunately. There are also disease and infection risks associated with keeping calves with cows.

I said it earlier and I'll say it again

All this sudden concern amongst transactivists regarding the apparent inadequacy of formula milk. As if they've only just found out it was a thing.

So why had nobody ever suggested that the male partners of "cis" women attempt to lactate, if the mothers cannot? Rather than rely on evil formula?

Because it's good enough for cis-babies, apparently.

This is not about infant health and wellbeing, and I'm disgusted that they're trying to dress it up as such. There is enough bad feeling around ff vs bf without these idiots swinging in.

Also bf1000 fuck off with your weird agenda, fgs

What weird agenda. I think it's valid to compare cow and human milk if we are comparing male and female human milk. And forced lactation comes into that. No one is suggesting that formula is evil btw.
I guess it because men lactation is rare and a male suggesting it wouldn't currently be well received. Is it possible yes, would funding be better aimed at mothers, adoptive mothers who want to breastfeed but don't get adequate support now.
Every mother should get support but this isn't happening. Can this transgender lactation story make a difference. Only time will tell

I would love to see the research done on milk comparison male to female.

The transgender women bf for 6 weeks I think that is currently when a lot of mums stop at the moment through lack of support or choice. So maybe she choice to stop after 6 weeks or maybe it wasn't as successful as hoped. That would be interesting research too.

The prob with researching human milk is that milk supply and make up is more successful when link to nursing a baby. So if the milk is researched through pumping milk only it is unlikely to give a full picture

If a study is done on human female and male milk and it determines this is a better source of milk for humans would it be acceptable to have human farms milking humans
Er, what?? I imagine most ppl would agree humans are not comparable to cows, having those pesky 'human rights' and all. Even if it were available on the black marker I would think it would be too expensive to actually feed your baby full time.

Breast tissue is breast tissue, whether male or female

Not true. Whilst males and females both have breast tissue the genes in that tissue are expressed differently depending on whether a person is either male or female.

Given the right hormone therapy, perhaps males would be able to make an adequate supply of nutritional milk that is not toxic, however, we don't know if that is the case because, seemingly nobody has bothered to check before giving it to an infant!!

It beggars belief that, because this makes TIM's happy clappy about their identity, it is assumed that it must be marvelous for the baby. Except it doesn't, because men's feelings trump the wellbeing of everyone and everything. Always.

The prob with researching human milk is that milk supply and make up is more successful when link to nursing a baby. So if the milk is researched through pumping milk only it is unlikely to give a full picture.

Quite right. Which means that if we cannot adequately research without breaking codes of ethics around experimentation on children, then it should just be deemed an unethical practice to induce lactation in males for the feeding of infants. It is not a medically necessity for either the TIM or the baby for male breastfeeding to happen, it is a vanity project and a practise that should be banned.