To think that inducing lactation in a man with illegal drugs is not the best way to feed a newborn?

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www.romper.com/p/a-transgender-woman-has-exclusively-breastfed-her-baby-its-a-dream-come-true-8146751/amp?__twitter_impression=true
This is child abuse not a scientific breakthrough. For 6 weeks that baby was fed a mix of artificial hormones and banned medication to validate the gender identity of a man.

OK for those saying about sexual arousal fetish in a born male transgender woman. Does it make a difference when they started the transition. Is it not ok when the Penistone hasn't been removed but ok if it has. Is it not ok if transition is in last yr but ok if they started transition pre teen and took hormon suppressants to stop male hormones?

I cannot see how milk produced by a male person would be beneficial to the baby. At all.

If it is, and research has gone into it, fair enough. But I cannot help but think of this as yet another 'fetishizing womanhood' thing. Male bodies are not designed to breastfeed. I don't see how experimenting in this way is ethical.

floriad

Believe me, I would far rather not know about this aspect of transgenderism.

But cross dressing fetishism is officially part of it, according to Stonewall.

Which can be progressive. Ending up in full blown autogynephilia.

There are loads of videos on YouTube about how to get menstruation kits to simulate menstruation, prosthetic bumps to simulate pregnancy. And breastfeeding fetishes.

It's certainly the first thing I thought.

bf1000

Yes. Men who transition when young, are effeminate and tend to be attracted to men, not women, usually don't have AGP. They're more likely to have gender dysphoria and surgery, as their anatomy is distressing. What is to be called transsexuals. Who have been sharing women's spaces for years, with no problem.

Men who transition late in life are different. They're not usually effeminate, often very male looking, attracted to women, keep their penis, because they like it, and might have top surgery or feminising hormones.

They often come out after years of secret cross dressing. And are usually attracted to women, often married.

Men who transition late in life are different. They're not usually effeminate, often very male looking, attracted to women, keep their penis, because they like it, and might have top surgery or feminising hormones.

isn't it just possible that they didn't have the same options as these young transsexuals?

floriad

It is possible, of course. But one of the defining characteristics appears to be whether they are heterosexual or homosexual.

So the man in the article, for instance, would appear to be heterosexual. Which would indicate AGP.

Here is an explanation of the different types of gender dysphoria, including AGP.

4thwavenow.com/2017/12/07/gender-dysphoria-is-not-one-thing/amp/

Not every man with AGP will fetishise women's actual biology. But arousal at the thought of oneself as a woman tends to progress.

There is a heartbreaking thread on the feminist board, at the moment, by women who are married to (or divorced from) men with AGP.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3101834-trans-widows-escape-committee

Sadie very few people can't bf but the support in the UK is very poor and most people don't get adequate support when they need it.

Yes, in hospital I was told that my baby was going to starve, only 24 hours after giving birth as I couldnt get the latch right but did seem to be getting colustrum into her. It was repeated so many times that they scared the shit out of me and I did give her a bottle. I was in hospital for a few days and I kept bottlefeeding. I was really really torn up about this.

When I got out of hospital I found out that this was total bollocks and that babies can survive for their first few days no near nothing at all, and that its totally normal to only have tiny bits to start with and the only way to induce a decent supply is to keep feeding basically. Because of my experience in hospital, I could not get latching right at all and my baby seemed to actively hate my breast tbh. I tried to get a GP appointment and could not, so I waited 5 days for the midwife to come out. The midwife then told me as DD was now 10 days old, I was unlikely to ever establish BFing and acknowledged that this was basically the fault of the hospital staff who should have supported me, and she said probably the reason they pushed my onto formula was so they could have my bed faster as apparently when breastfeeding they have to establish latches and such before you can go home, or because they had no time to be constantly checking latches or helping baby latch when I failed. She advised pumping to try and get supply up and then bottlefeeding DD whatever I got out with pump, but said thats all that can be done. I was so upset about all of this. She also did some checklist thing with me and said she thought I had PND.

I managed to get a cancellation GP appointment a few days later to talk about this PND thing. GP was really shocked at my treatment and put me on the waiting list to see lactation consultant. GP was the one to mention domperidone to try and help my supply go up. But said she could not do prescription, it had to come from consultant. It took 3 months to actually get the appoitment for that. In the meantime my baby still screamed at my breast and seemed very stressed anytime she even saw it so I kept pumping and bottlefed. I had been using a pump, every few hours, including through the night, to try and get supply up. I was producing a pitiful 30mls per day which I was just adding to her formula. When I saw lactation consultant I was put on domperidone, told it was totally safe for baby and me. I have found out today, that the amount I was on may be dangerous. Which is lovely.

Even with the domperidone though, I could only produce less than a bottle per day.

Since being on MN I have discovered that my experience is repeated a lot, and that the support just is not there for many many women who want to breastfeed. And that many are given false 'advice' too, like being told that babies will starve.

I managed to sucessfully BF my son. I was told with him that 'he must be hungry, maybe try a topup' rubbish, and I nearly bit the advisors head off

Ludicrous us all I can say. What s ridiculous world we live in.
I'm all for breastfeeding but surely in this case formula would be better for the baby,

If some men are wanting to breastfeed a child because of a fetish and they are being helped medically to do so then that is putting that poor child at risk of serious harm, both physically and psychologically. This whole thing is just sickening.

And as someone else has already said - male bodies are not designed to breastfeed. I cannot see how having milk from a male bodie which has been pumped full of hormones would be beneficial for a young baby - it could do them physical damage. Who knows what the long term effects could be. It's just not ethical.

There is no risk to baby from this and, while it’s a bit of a headfuck, it’s really not a problem.

Evidence please? Because as far as I can tell from what's said in the study the safety of the baby was either assumed or not considered at all.

Please don’t sully the genuine argument for women’s safe spaces with knee jerk reaction against men feeding babies. There are (rare) documented incidences of this occurring naturally

Not true. Men's nipples quite often produce some fluid and there have been incidents of men trying to use this to feed babies (e.g. in famine situations where the mother has died), but there are no verified cases of men successfully sustaining a baby in this way.

Domperidone isn’t an illegal drug. It’s used in mother’s as its off label effect is to increase prolactin and therefore boost milk supply. Jack Newman, the foremost authority in this, has written many articles and advises on its use. I used it with my son due to a low supply because of an undiagnosed tongue tie.

Most women on the surrogacy groups on who've tried induced lactation were refused by their GPs, and had to get a prescription for domperidone from a consultant obstetrician (privately, as the surrogate is the one receiving medical care from midwives and Drs, not the intended mother, so no support on the NHS)

This parent hadn't had breast surgery, for those talking about the threshold to women's access to breast surgery.
I do resent the time and effort put into this, extremely rare and unnecessary situation, in comparison with the lack of support for women breast feeding.

BuntyCollocks Domperidone is illegal in the US - apart from physician approved use in in certain cases of gastrointestinal conditions. From the FDA - Domperidone is not currently a legally marketed human drug and it is not approved for sale in the U.S. On June 7, 2004, FDA issued a public warning that distributing any domperidone-containing products is illegal. FDA also issued an Import Alert instructing FDA field personnel to detain shipments of finished drug products and bulk ingredients containing domperidone, and refuse admission into the US. FDA took this action because of the concern about the potential serious health risks associated with the use of domperidone by lactating women to enhance breast milk production.

In the UK use has recently been tightened - the gastroenterologist we recently saw with ds, said he would prefer to avoid it with my son.

From Gov.Uk drugsafety document (sorry long c+p!)
Advice for healthcare professionals

Indication
•Domperidone is now restricted to use in the relief of nausea and vomiting
•It should be used at the lowest effective dose for the shortest possible time

Contraindications
•Domperidone is now contraindicated in people:
•with conditions where cardiac conduction is, or could be, impaired
•with underlying cardiac diseases such as congestive heart failure
•receiving other medications known to prolong QT interval or potent CYP3A4 inhibitors
•with severe hepatic impairment

•Patients with these conditions should have their treatment reviewed at their next routine appointment and be switched to an alternative treatment if required

Posology

Oral formulations
•For adults and adolescents over 12 years of age and weighing 35 kg or more, the recommended maximum dose in 24 hours is 30 milligrams (dose interval: 10 milligrams up to three times a day)
•In children under 12 years of age and weighing less than 35 kg, the recommended maximum dose in 24 hours is 0.75 mg/kg body weight (dose interval: 0.25 mg/kg body weight up to three times a day)

Suppository formulation
•Suppositories should only be used in adults and adolescents weighing 35 kg or more, the recommended maximum daily dose in 24 hours is 60 milligrams (dose interval: 30 milligrams twice a day)

Duration of treatment
•The maximum treatment duration should not usually exceed one week
•Patients currently receiving long-term treatment with domperidone should be reassessed at a routine appointment to advise on treatment continuation, dose change, or cessation

Administration of liquid formulations
•Oral liquid formulations of domperidone should only be given via appropriately designed, graduated measuring devices (eg, oral syringes for children and cups for adults and adolescents) to ensure dose accuracy

Additional advice for pharmacists:

Non-prescription availability of domperidone:

Pharmacists are asked to take the following steps when supplying domperidone without prescription:
•Ask questions to exclude supply for people for whom domperidone is contraindicated (see above)
•Advise people to take domperidone only for nausea and vomiting–it should no longer be taken for bloating and heartburn
•Advise people to take the lowest dose for the shortest possible time up to a maximum daily dose of 3 tablets and for a maximum period of 48 hours

Advice to give to patients
•Domperidone should only be used for short periods of time to treat nausea and vomiting
•Speak to your doctor or pharmacist at your next routine visit if you are taking domperidone and have any problems with your heart or concerns about your treatment
•Seek medical attention immediately if you experience heart-related symptoms such as irregular heartbeat or fainting while taking domperidone

Please don’t sully the genuine argument for women’s safe spaces with knee jerk reaction against men feeding babies

The breastfeeding support group I went to was women only....I would imagine this wouldn't be possible in the New World Order.

Wtf have I just read? This is beyond messed up. That poor baby and all so this MAN can feel like a woman and breastfeed. It's gone too far now.

And I worried when I used a topical pain relief gel when breastfeeding.

Maybe several hundred hefty and sharp boots to the backside with steel toe capped boots will give him an idea of the birthing experience. That’s more ‘wimmin experience’ for you.

Think about all the thousands of posts on the feeding boards on here. And no one outside of it gives a fuck. No one celebrates women for breastfeeding, the only time it's ever mentioned is in the 'should you cover up in public' debate.

But a man does it and all of a sudden its 'ha ha, anything you cis bitches can do.....'

Men don't breastfeed. Deal with it.

In order to determine whether or not the substance this man was producing would be good for a baby, bad for a baby, better than formula, worse than formula, etc, the substance would need to actually be analyzed for nutritional content. This did not happen. If the goal was to benefit the baby, they would have looked at that aspect of things. They didn't because the goal was to make the male parent who thinks he's a woman happy.

If an actual woman put her own need to feel validated above the health of her baby she'd be crucified in the media, but when a trans woman does the same...(crickets).

Exactly Angry. Given its such a pioneering thing, surely there would be some mention of analysing the nutritional content and making comparisons with female breast milk.

If this was really about 'feeding babies who otherwise wouldn't be fed' then most of the focus would be on the analysis of the milk, the effects on the baby and whether it's something that can possibly go forward. But there was hardly any fucking mention of any of that or the baby, it was all about how amazing it will be that trans women can 'breastfeed'.

Fuck off.

And again, shame on all the people who have scrambled to accuse people who are concerned about this of 'transphobia'.