Are you a feminist? Just a yes or no.

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No need to go further into your reasoning if you don't want to but this has always a been curious issue to me and came up today with one of my colleagues. She is a feminist by how she described her beliefs but doesn't actually adopt the term.

JustaRandomBloke I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. Thanks for the mansplanationexplanation of what women should do to help men feel less threatened by feminism though.

You realise that being petty and childish is generally the role of someone who had nothing constructive or sensible to add to a debate Niteflights?

I have a son and a daughter. I just want the world the kids grow up in to be better than it is now. I do ky nit by bringing them up to respect everyone.

Divisive clinging to labels helps no one. Or is that mansplaining too?

I'll let you know when I do start to feel threatened if you like. Might even be a victory for you.

Whenever women try to do something for themselves, it seems people (men and women) panic, and say "but what are you doing for men?? They have needs too! The suicide rate...!
Because women never do anything for men (obviously..)

but what about men?

No woman, husband, brother, son or father should be against any type of equality for women. If they aren't buying into feminism then the problem is feminism as it is perceived.

So, the problem with feminism is how men perceive feminism? Interesting position.

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“But here on mumsnet, ive been told im not a feminist as i don't believe a woman has a right to an abortion in all and any circumstances”

I don’t generally say “You can’t be a feminist if.......” But I don’t think you can be a feminist you don’t think women should have bodily autonomy.

If they aren't buying into feminism then the problem is feminism as it is perceived.

No it’s a problem with their perception of women. A man who doesn’t buy into the very basic tenets of feminism (equal rights) is against equality for women.

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if men don’t like feminism, then there’s something wrong with feminism.

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Of course I’m a feminist. I have even a modicum of intelligence...

Yes. I’m a radical feminist who believes female centred feminism.

Not a liberal feminist who believes inclusivity is central and that porn is empowering for women.

I’m proud to call myself a feminist - an intersectional sex-positive very non-TERF feminist.

Always have been, always will be.

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Ok backenette, what about the women who don't want that label? Are they also against equality for women? Forgive my stupidity at not figuring it out.

Malaga (and others), for the avoidance of doubt, I have not said "If men..." I have said "If right thinking men and women..."

Maybe if I am that wrong people could simply answer what I actually said rather than having to twist it to suit.

Or not, either way there is a massive problem in that equal rights for all is a no brainer and yet still a struggle to reach.

Yes I am definitely a feminist, and PERF-y one at that. I'm bringing up my 3 DCs to be considerate and tolerant of people, but not to buy into the Emperor's New Clothes female penis bollocks. I've been the victim of gas-lighting and won't stand for it.

Yes. I find it difficult to understand why a woman would think she was inferior to men.

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"I have even a modicum of intelligence..."

So anyone who says they aren't doesn't?

I’m afraid so, IMO.

I can’t think of a single, valid reason for being against equality for women. So I can only assume that bizarrely, people don’t understand it. And since I don’t think it’s difficult to understand...

Bertrandrussell
Nobody male or female should be allowed absolute bodily autonomy if it harms another.

Our bodily autonomy does not overrule life.

So it seems feminism doesnt want women who think like me.

So we're now in place where we equate the right to choose to not be a feminist with a lack of common sense?

I don't even know where to start with the irony of that tbh

Equalist.

I'm very clever. This is a fact.

I am not a feminist because I don't like the label. I don't like what vocal feminists stand for. I don't want being a woman to be my defining feature and the way I approach life. I am an egalitarian which means understanding many different opinions and angles and not from a female perspective.

I especially don't like the way that anyone who disagrees is called less intelligent. It's boring and shows a lack of intelligence by the person saying it. This kind of attitude is the reason that fewer and fewer people label themselves as feminists and more and more see it as an insult (1 in 5 British women).

I do not think the definition in the dictionary is current. Feminism is not about equality any more. It's about furthering the interests of women.

Have you ever considered that people don't equate feminism with equality for women any more and why that might be. It takes more than a modicum of intelligence.

Flirtygirl- it is very difficult, I agree- something I have struggled with over the years. But I do think that a woman’s needs have to be paramount.

" I do think that a woman’s needs have to be paramount."

Slightly missing the context but this sums up my issue with feminism more than anything.