Are you a feminist? Just a yes or no.

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No need to go further into your reasoning if you don't want to but this has always a been curious issue to me and came up today with one of my colleagues. She is a feminist by how she described her beliefs but doesn't actually adopt the term.

Hell YES.

And so is my husband, my son and my daughter. Thank fuck.

Yes

But that isn’t quite what you said. You did "indeed say Why not leave "feminism" as the term for those whose only real focus is women's rights and embrace a more inclusive and broad movement?

Which isn’t just a name change suggestion, but a broadening of focus suggestion. Which would mean it was no longer feminism in any meaningful sense."

Windmyonlyfriend, I don't care if it's no longer feminismin any meaningful sense. That's much less important than what is achieved. If you care more about the label than the outcome then I think you need to rethink priorities. If you care more about what is achieved than the label then your point becomes moot.

Maybe I am oversimplifying it.

Yes I am now, and I've become more of one now I've got 2 DDs to consider.

Bertrand because I can’t stand the language used towards some people on here, ‘idiots’ and ‘racists’ indeed.

I hate the arrogance of thinking someone who doesn’t think like you is less educated.

I find ‘TERF’s’ proudly proclaiming that they want to deny a section of society their rights quite alarming.

I think feminism has enough to worry about without 'broadening its focus'.

It proves a point really, women must not prioritise themselves but must include, take care of and spend their emotional energy on men.

Wifework writ large.

I'll stick with being a feminist, thanks!

If you care more about the label than the outcome then I think you need to rethink priorities

Hallelujah, hallelujah, hallelujah

Yes I am.

Yes.
I was a feminist when I was young, but way moreso now.

Yes

Yes!

Skaross-could you come over to the other thread and say more?

Niteflights, isn't the problem with that introspective view that it is much less inclusive?

I think people should take care of and spend their emotional energy on people.

Each to their own I suppose. Divide and conquer is a thing though. Decent people are harder to ignore if they aren't divided by stupid arguments like this.

Thanks for the invite Betrand but no, I’m sick of the insults.

Yes

Yes

Yes

Pumperthepumper I don't know why IT is a male dominated role to be honest. It's easy to do really. I didn't even have an IT background before getting this job, I learnt on the job with people who had many years more experience than me. More women are getting into it, but not quickly enough apparently. I haven't found any negative views towards women in it either, and I probably get paid more than some of my male counterparts, which I still don't think is right. But it's the bad way the company manages its workers unfortunately, same in most places

So if you don’t think thinks it’s because men are naturally and biologically better at IT than women, surely it’s a logical conclusion to think ‘IT is a male dominated industry because women haven’t had the same opportunity to get into IT’ for whatever reason - whether it’s because of lack of support in schools to go in that direction or because IT is considered a boys subject that excludes girls or because IT companies are unwilling to take on women or whatever - that’s why women-only programmes exsists. To look at the reasons why some industries are male-dominated and try to balance it out.

Yes

That's much less important than what is achieved.

I agree. I think we’re talking at cross purposes. I don’t care what we call feminism. Give it any new name you like, what I’m arguing against is the ‘broadening of focus.’

We don’t argue that the Black Lives Matter movement isn’t also advocating for the rights of visually impaired people. Why should feminism, under any new name, advocate for anything more than equality between the sexes?

There’s nothing wrong with having dedicated movements/causes/focuses on single issues.

Happy to change the name of feminism but not the essence of it.

No thankfully not

No

@blaaake in wot way may I ask??

Yes

Yes! And like many others more so as I get older (and older!)