To call to all: You have less than a month. Please act now to protect women's rights (Closes 1 March 2018)

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The Scottish Government's consultation on changes to the GRA closes on 1st March 2018.

The rest of the UK will likely follow Scotland's decision, so this is your chance to make your views known.

For those who don't yet understand the risks to women from changes to the Gender Recognition Act, please read this document. It is pretty straightforward

leyaterra.wordpress.com/2018/02/06/gender-the-gra-and-womens-rights/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Then please complete the Scottish Government's consultation.

You do NOT have to be Scottish or live in Scotland to complete it.

consult.gov.scot/family-law/review-of-the-gender-recognition-act-2004/

The brilliant Dr Nic Williams wrote a guide to the consultation

fairplayforwomen.com/scottish-consultation/

PLEASE complete it and pass to friends/family

Hi
I wondered if anyone can help me to cover the issues with the incomplete assessment impacts. I believe there is ripe ground for challenge there.

I’m particularly concerned about the impacts for schools, children and girls.

Any links would be really useful. I want to draft a detailed response that takes the legal issues apart forensically so I’m wanting to get into the nitty gritty like statutory obligations

Done. What an awful questionnaire. Who writes this stuff?! Absolute zero use of plain english. Makes assumptions. Requires a high level of decoding the jargon for people who are not lawyers or familiar with legal or sex terminology. Very off putting for average person. Is this only an online consultation? What about groups who aren't online regularly? The elderly? Disabled?

Also - why do they need our names? There are no other relevant profiling questions (ethnicity/income/occupation) which is unusual. I would think they need to at minimum have a section detailing very clearly how they will use this data and who it belongs to and who exactly will get to see your name. (There is a small 3 choice indicator but this isn't enough).

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Out of 5,108 MP's in the last 100 years, 9% have been women.

We now have the lovely Liam/Lily Madigan, who will be joined by other men who really REALLY FEEL(!) like women, and be put on All Women Shortlists.

Can we re-define as an endangered species?

Hi @elletorro they haven't carried out any EQIA's regarding the impacts on women and girls, I covered this in my blog post which I hope helps. I spoke with the people who wrote up the consultation, and they acknowledge that they have not carried out these EQIA's, but said they may do so in response to the consultation, so it is definitely very worthwhile mentioning what you think they should be assessing and why - that is why I focused on this in my post.

They key here is that they have to ensure equality, I wrote further back in the thread about how this is the way in to challenging the legislation. For eg, if women and girls are self excluding due to male inclusion - and remember there is grounds in the Equality Act for sex segregation which means that the law already recognises sex segregation is necessary for the equality of women based on this protected characteristic, and also that limiting participation/access to spaces and services impacts on equality - then this can be argued as affecting participation and access, and that this impacts on equality, which is unacceptable.

Then in school sports for eg, there is no longer equality of opportunity for males and females, cos trans identified females don't impact on male sports, but trans identified males do impact on female sports - i.e. prevent females from being able to do well due to physicality - and there are grounds in the Equality Act for preventing this, but the Scottish govt has decided not to employ these exemptions because trans orgs say this harms trans kids.

Then there's the issue with gender balance which is no longer based on sex, we need that to change before opening the GRC up or else it could have a substantive impact on women and girls. For eg all male boards could be considered gender balanced.

Then the fact they have not carried out research on how their policy of affirmation is affecting kids who desist is indefensible - LGBT and trans orgs don't research that, the govt is just doing what they ask wihtout assessing the impact on all children. Absolutely indefensible if they continue with this, and they most certainly need to understand the impact if they are to reduce the age.

I covered all of this best I could without writing something as long as War and Peace, but I will also link to Fairplay for women, who give a good run down of the Equality Act: fairplayforwomen.com/equality-act-2010_womens-rights/

Hope that helps!

(p.s. all male boards would already be considered gender balanced if five of them identified as women, but the numbers with a GRC right now are so low that while totally unacceptable will unlikely have had any substantive impact. But with self ID we are opening the GRC up to 1% or more of the population, more than enough to impact on female equality and so in light of self ID especially this needs addressed, but it is already happening now)

@beljan my post is the leyaterra link by the OP, where I outline many of the issues and how to address them if self ID goes through, as well as highlighting the problem with genderism itself.

Done. Heh, weird that there were no equalities questions at the end - race, nationality etc. Perhaps they thought people would take the piss on a self ID consultation...?

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Thank you very much for that informative post. I have already done the consultation document, but will be including your references to the Equality Act when I contact Swim England again.

I am a Team Manager for a synchronised swimming club, (all swimmers are girls/women), and the latest advice from Swim England includes a leaflet from Stonewall that is frankly verging on Trans propaganda. If we don't like having self-ID'd men in our spaces, we need to be "educated", apparently, - WTF!!

So much of these changes are being pushed through by stealth - not knowing that something is happening does not mean you agree to it!

Our Swim Club meets and competes in various pools, many of which don't have separate cubicles and showers. There is one large room for women, and another for women. If a Danielle Muscato-like penis-owner walks into the Ladies, and starts stripping off, what are the girls supposed to do, just accept it, and ignore their discomfort?? If one of the girls comes running out shouting "there's a naked man in there!", are the waiting parents (particularly dads) most likely to;

a) Say, "Don't worry, darling, he will have downloaded a self-ID form, using the recent amendments to the Gender Recognition Act, so he's a woman now".

or

b) Deal with the situation in a rather more physical way - ie, drag the tosser out!

I think this could have the reverse of what is intended, and there will be MORE prejudice against LGBT people. Those who want to just quietly live their lives will catch the flak generated by the TRA's

Yup @suitedandbooted I totally agree with you. Already we have seen stats in the US that show that for the first time in years attitudes towards LGBT people have become more negative. I'm sure that it's down to what is happening due to the trans movement.

It is totally unacceptable that women and girls are expected to forgo our boundaries around males, as though the fact they have bought into a regressive gender ideology somehow magically erases their sex. And yup Stonewall doesn't care about consent, their whole MO is to try to shame people into giving males access to their spaces and bodies. Makes me so angry. So many females are self excluding/will self exclude. And they want to educates us lol - it is dogma, not education - the very idea that gender is in the brain when our brains are not even sexed, let alone gendered, is anti-science nonsense. We are truly in the twilight zone...

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My WTF moment of the week......

www.peaktrans.org/i-cant-even/

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@suitedandbooted Mines is this horrific story of how two specialists at Mt Sinai used a drug banned in the US, a drug that also passes to babies through breast milk, to be used to allow a trans identified male to lactate and feed his partner's newborn. He did this for six months. This is just awful child abuse and look at the way it's written about, like it's progress. I still can't believe they have got away with doing this to a baby, all just to validate trans feelz....www.romper.com/p/a-transgender-woman-has-exclusively-breastfed-her-baby-its-a-dream-come-true-8146751

Why this has to be so complicated is beyond me.

Men are faster and stronger than women. So anyone born male doesn't get to compete in a women's class where this matters. (There are sports where it doesn't matter but most of the public view sport as running and throwing, because that's the school stuff). This is simple.

All the patriarchy/oppression stuff is just off putting ramble. Focus on the simple nonsense.

Placemark

Done.

I can't wait. I assume that the end of trans threads is in sight!

I think every single person who posts on trans threads would love to see an end to them. It would mean we no longer had to worry about TRAs & women's rights!

TRA, MRA, FRA - I'd love to know why the first two are awful but everyone should be a FRA / feminist!

lesDeuxAlps
TRA, MRA, FRA - I'd love to know why the first two are awful but everyone should be a FRA / feminist!

The fact that you can presumably read this thread, and still write that, says quite a lot about you.