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As far as Nunes can tell, none of us have even met with Trump

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PerkingFaintly · 05/02/2018 22:23

Devin Nunes Gets A Pretty Basic Fact Wrong In Defending His Memo
Nunes suggested that Donald Trump had never met with George Papadopoulos. There's a photo of them sitting at the same table.
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/devin-nunes-memo_us_5a788b57e4b01fe513a60603

And we certainly didn't have a national security meeting right here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3150505-The-one-in-which-Trump-orders-his-staff-to-fire-Mueller-and-they-give-him-the-finger?pg=1

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lionheart · 15/02/2018 14:05

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NEW: President Trump will sign a Presidential Proclamation honoring the victims of the Parkland shooting, I'm told by two administration officials

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Sarah Sanders

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The President will address the nation at 11am today on the tragic shooting in Parkland, Florida.

Lweji · 15/02/2018 14:25

So many signs that the Florida shooter was mentally disturbed, even expelled from school for bad and erratic behavior. Neighbors and classmates knew he was a big problem. Must always report such instances to authorities, again and again!

So, who's going to report DJT?

Lweji · 15/02/2018 14:26

'when will people realise it's not the guns but the people that are the problem'

This is right. The people who hold the guns. Hence, gun control and license checks. Make sure that people who have access to guns are of sound mind.

lionheart · 15/02/2018 14:32

Neal Katyal

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'This story is unbelievable and a must read. The White House Counsel himself and others don’t have permanent high level clearances? Unforgivable. Never saw anything like this in 2 difft Administrations where I worked on these sensitive natl security matters.'

www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/scores-top-white-house-officials-lack-permanent-security-clearances-n848191

lionheart · 15/02/2018 14:34

Another gesture.

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Speaker Ryan has ordered the U.S. Capitol flags to be lowered in honor of the victims of the #Parkland shooting.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 15/02/2018 16:25

There was speculation it was all part of his “reverse anything obama had ever achieved” drive bigly. Such blatant disregard for human life in favour of ego-stoking.

As per David frum’s reminder/article posted upthread somewhere, just as he predicted:

This Democrat Caught Florida Republicans Holding A Public Meeting To Relax State Gun Laws Today

medium.com/@grantstern/this-democrat-caught-florida-republicans-holding-a-public-meeting-to-relax-state-gun-laws-today-d1c70a9070c4

Roussette · 15/02/2018 16:29

Listening to 45's live presser response to this tragedy. I've never heard such bullshit in my life. Not one word about guns, not one.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 15/02/2018 16:36

You’re a better woman than me roussette. I didn’t have the strength to stomach it and had to switch it off immediately.

What I find frustrating is the parallels that look like parallels but aren’t fair comparisons.

The right jumping on any non-white terror attack and arguing for immigration controls == the left wanting gun controls after massacres. It looks as though they’re equivalent but they’re not.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 15/02/2018 16:38

Ha, speaking of which:

ACLU
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@ACLU
BREAKING: The Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals rules against Trump's Muslim ban, recognizing that "on a human level, the Proclamation’s invisible yet impenetrable barrier denies the possibility of a complete, intact family to tens of thousands of Americans."

#NoMuslimBanEver

In a 9-4 ruling, the court concluded that "the Proclamation is unconstitutionally tainted with animus toward Islam."

We won't stop fighting until the Muslim ban is defeated once and for all.

Gumpendorf · 15/02/2018 17:08

I've just heard clips of Trump. Not a pretty sound. And the absence of any mention of guns Angry

I'm curious what excuses they will give for making it easier for people with MH issues to buy guns.

Meantime, this is also doing the rounds on SM

Gumpendorf · 15/02/2018 17:28

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We are grieving with Parkland. But we are not powerless. Caring for our kids is our first job. And until we can honestly say that we're doing enough to keep them safe from harm, including long overdue, common-sense gun safety laws that most Americans want, then we have to change.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 15/02/2018 17:35

Bannon returns to House Intelligence Committee under subpoena

www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/bannon-returns-to-house-intelligence-committee-under-subpoena/2018/02/15/e2051a68-1267-11e8-9570-29c9830535e5_story.html?utm_term=.812ad12f6de3

Former top White House strategist Stephen K. Bannon returned to Capitol Hill under subpoena Thursday morning to meet with House investigators probing Russian meddling in the 2016 election, but it was unclear whether he planned to answer the committee’s questions behind closed doors.

Bannon and the House Intelligence Committee have been in a weeks-long standoff over his refusal to discuss anything from the presidential transition period or his tenure advising President Trump in the White House. The committee issued Bannon an on-the-spot subpoena last month, after his attorneys argued that executive privilege could apply to the periods in question.

Bannon’s return to the committee has already been scheduled and delayed three times, while the White House hammers out the terms of the interview with the House counsel. On Wednesday night, the White House sent the committee a letter outlining its argument for why executive privilege could apply to the transition period, according to panel members. But lawmakers continue to reject that premise, and it was not clear whether the letter constituted a formal invocation of privilege.

If Bannon continues to be silent on questions about the transition period, “I’m not okay with it,” Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.) said heading into the closed-door interview.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 15/02/2018 17:39

I’d say what with his wife’s recent fluffy article in Elle and now this, they were trying to rehabilitate their image but I don’t think they care about their image. Is it too cynical to look for an ulterior motive to this?

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Mnuchin breaks with Trump, calls on Congress to look into gun laws, @damianpaletta reports

Mnuchin calls on Congress to look into gun violence issue after school shooting, breaking with rest of White House

www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/business/wp/2018/02/15/mnuchin-calls-on-congress-to-look-into-gun-violence-issue-after-school-shooting-breaking-with-rest-of-white-house/?__twitter_impression=true

BiglyBadgers · 15/02/2018 17:43

Buzzfeed always does good stuff on tracking fake news around events like this. Here's their list for this shooting.

Here Are The Hoaxes Already Going Around About The Florida School Shooting
www.buzzfeed.com/janelytvynenko/florida-school-shooting-hoaxes?utm_term=.ypWOOZvJmz#.dtVEE3RK5w

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 15/02/2018 17:56

The Daily Beast
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EXCLUSIVE: Devin Nunes pushed against construction of an obscure spy center for years. Now, the Pentagon is "reassessing" their decision, @woodruffbets reports

The facility was originally supposed to be built in a tiny British village, but Nunes wanted it to be located on a Portuguese island—one of his favorite vacation spots

The project will be even more delayed because of this reassessment, but this is still a win for Nunes

Nunes Wins, Sorta: Spy Center Now on Hold

amp.thedailybeast.com/nunes-wins-sorta-spy-center-now-on-hold?__twitter_impression=true

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 15/02/2018 18:04

Manu Raju
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Latest on Bannon: He declines to answer a range of questions from House lawmakers other than a list of WH-authorized questions, per multiple people. He’s now answering GOP questions. Members weighing whether to hold him in contempt.

Bannon stonewalls Hill panel after WH seeks to limit his testimony

<a class="break-all" href="https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/02/14/politics/bannon-contempt-hearing/index.html#click=t.co/41u5tnZbvQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/02/14/politics/bannon-contempt-hearing/index.html#click=t.co/41u5tnZbvQ

Lweji · 15/02/2018 18:12

The facility was originally supposed to be built in a tiny British village, but Nunes wanted it to be located on a Portuguese island—one of his favorite vacation spots

Wait... What?

Oh, that would be his family's ancestral home. But it's also home to a strategic US Air Base.

They are probably right that it would cost a lot more in the middle of the Atlantic. And it would have to have the agreement of the current left wing government. Hmm.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 15/02/2018 18:28

The Associated Press
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BREAKING: Leader of white nationalist group has confirmed suspect in Florida school shooting was member of his organization.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 15/02/2018 18:30

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Buried on page 719 of Trump’s newly unveiled 2019 budget: $12 million in cuts to programs within the federal gun background check system that help states report criminal and domestic violence records.

<a class="break-all" href="http://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/trump-nra-gun-safety-background-checks_us_5a84abdee4b0774f31d1b770#click=t.co/sDU0ayRHZa" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/trump-nra-gun-safety-background-checks_us_5a84abdee4b0774f31d1b770#click=t.co/sDU0ayRHZa

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 15/02/2018 18:32

Steven Shepard
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New @MonmouthPoll in #PA18:

Rick Saccone (R) 49%
Conor Lamb (D) 46

www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/MonmouthPoll_PA_021518/

Chris Hayes
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This is pretty remarkable. Heavily GOP district, R's have gone all in with huge ad buys and D's have done almost nothing.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 15/02/2018 18:50

Kyle Cheney
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.@ConawayTX11 says Bannon would only answer 25 questions pre-approved by the White House. CONTEMPT talks underway.

.@RepAdamSchiff says White House-approved questions were misleading — allowedBannon to deny certain things that, when asked from a slightly different angle (such as ‘did you meet with Person X’ vs. ‘Did you talk with Person X’) he wouldn’t answer.

lionheart · 15/02/2018 18:55

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“When we compromise our values as to some, we shake the foundation as to all” —Chief Judge Gregory today, in striking down Trump’s travel ban.

Words to live by.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 15/02/2018 19:32

I’m sorry

Yashar Ali 🐘
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Stormy Daniels kept a Lewinsky dress from alleged Trump hotel tryst

[it’s in the daily mail if you want to hunt it out]

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 15/02/2018 19:39

Reuters Top News
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Russian toll in Syria battle was 300 killed and wounded: sources (link: reut.rs/2o6LsAA )

(Reuters) - About 300 men working for a Kremlin-linked Russian private military firm were either killed or injured in Syria last week, according to three sources familiar with the matter.

A Russian military doctor said around 100 had been killed, and a source who knows several of the fighters said the death toll was in excess of 80 men.

The timing of the casualties coincided with a battle on Feb. 7 near the Syrian city of Deir al-Zor where, according to U.S. officials and associates of the fighters involved, U.S.-led coalition forces attacked forces aligned with Moscow's ally, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

Leah McElrath
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300 Russian forces killed.

And Putin has remained virtually silent.

Ask yourselves why.

[it’s actually 300 that were wounded and killed, not solely killed]

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