To think that students have more rights than teachers ( and that this is not good.)

[malificent7]

If i treated my students the way they treated me id be sacked.

They swear, answer back, are extremely rude and patronising . One even tried to stroke my arm today.....ugggrrr!

It should be the best job in the world but the chatty, self entitled culture stops that.

^ this.

Commenting as not had time to read the whole thread and I want to.
Secondary teacher here too.

Good ideas coldstream

A lot of students I encounter are so addicted to their phones but don't have a pen. They can't seem to manage without their phone

Agree cauliflower about this esteem issue, many are over confident and I think it is the teachers who end up with low self esteem

woodhill

One of the main issues I have with some of what coldstream has posted is the overlooking of things.

Things like pens, deliberately causing disruption by "I was just". It may work for her but it makes life difficult for every other teacher in the school, especially if they are infringements of school rules.

I am all for respect but it has to be a two way street. I am all for the Paul Dix method of behaviour management but even he says there is a point where enough is enough.

I work in secondary education and I have a child whose behaviour is less than perfect (to say the least). I deal with pupils on a daily basis who:
Swear
Kick things
Throw chairs
Overturn tables
Break school property
Call other pupils ‘nigger,’ ‘paedophile’ and ‘cunt.’

Today my DS punched a staff member - they’re not sure if it was deliberate or not. (I am MORTIFIED. DS is never violent at home and we do NOT condone it).

In my view, in addition to the accepted issues of parental discord and apathy, which is passed to their DC, inclusion plays a huge part. It might not be a popular opinion, but for the DC I work with and my own, mainstream is far too difficult for them to conform. They all have additional needs (mostly ASD, including DS). There should be proper provision for them but their just isn’t. This isn’t fair on them, isn’t fair on teachers and it certainly isn’t fair to other students who both suffer from and mimic behaviours.

I’m not an inclusion fan today.

I have a few friends that are teachers and I am horrified by some of the situations they are in.
When I was at school, if my teacher blocked me and threaten to call my parents I totally shat my pants. What apparent happens now when a child is placed in isolation for their poor choices, the parents go bats shit about how 'poor little Johnny' is being victimised by the adult teachers, seemingly overlooking the fact he has spat in another Childs face and called the teacher a fat cunt.

I couldn't agree more MelanieSmooter inclusion could work imo but throwing challenging children into massive classes without specialised staff who are under massive amounts of pressure re results isn't the way to achieve it. Doing it properly would be far too expensive though.

Agree, Blue

In the end it all boils down to fucking funding. It’s so depressing.

I just want to add that my DS is 6, not 16, and if he punched somebody as a teen I’d be getting him seriously punished myself, ASD or not!