Aibu in being shocked at this school newsletter?

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Aibu in being pretty appalled at this school news letter or am i being naive?

Children attend a catholic primary school- dh is Catholic I am not. Never had an issue with the school, children are in the last couple of years there.

Had a newsletter home tonight saying that a new ‘children and social work act of 2017’ has been passed and that parents will no longer be able to remove their children for PSHE lessons but that the government are still deciding what content the lessons should have. There is a public questionnaire on gov.uk to write your ideas.

The newsletter then goes on to say that we need to ensure that things that are age suited to children get suggested and I quote ‘to avoid respect for alternative lifestyles being allowed to undermine Christian principles of marriage and family life’.

It then goes on to link ‘coalition for marriage’ for help with us filling in this questionnaire.

Coalition 4 marriage is a group that promotes a traditional family set up and states that children should be taught that ‘marriage between a man and a woman as the gold standard of adult relationships’ Also that ‘they believe there is no age-appropriate way to teach primary school children about same sex marriages or transgenderism’. In blinding hypocrisy it then goes on to say ‘we should be teaching children broad values of tolerance and respect’.

!? I thought that in this day and age in the uk even if you attend a faith school inclusivity was seen as important/ the norm.
Would you be angry at this or just see it as an unavoidable downside of attending a catholic school?

If you were that opposed to it, you would find someone who does agree with your beliefs, or home school.

And here we are again. Some folk really do live in a bubble.

Dreamy, it's patently ridiculous to suggest that in 2018 a citizen who pays for education via taxation should be faced with a choice between homeschooling or having their child indoctrinated by a religious minority.

As others have said, what did you expect when you sent your DC to a homophobic religious school. This is why religious state school should be banned.

"Again you are saying a whole society or section of society is the same. "
If you are an active member of an organisation it does generally infer that you condone the ethos and manifestos of that organisation.

Unless you think the Labour party member list has a proportionate percentage of Thatcher admirers, and Britain First has as many leftie hippies in it than any other group you might find in society....

On balance of probability, my children are likely to end up at a catholic school even though they are not Christened.

That certainly wouldn't happen here. You have to be baptised in the Catholic faith to get into our local RC school.

greensleves
I can reassure you that they are not being tolerated but the other parents staff and their priest have embraced them wholeheartedly. Yes they can't get married in their own church which is something that needs to change.
I m so sad that the Catholic Church and its followers have such a bad rep when all I have experienced from the inside is tolerance and love
I'm not denying evil things have happened, I just feel I want to pipe up as a person with actual experience from from the inside

This isn't about beliefs or the rights and wrongs of belief. it's about whether rhere should be schools funded by taxpayers which are only available to people of a particular religious faith. Whether it's OK that there are children who will not be able to go to the school they live next door to because there is a child of the "right" faith who lives 10 miles away.

Religion /faith is very different to political parties

A religion/faith is based on teachings in an historical book. As we all get different information from the same book, we all look at things differently. So yes the same religion however, different views on what the basis is actually meant.

There are posters on this thread whose children were allocated a place at a Catholic primary school without having chosen it. Not all of th parents who are objecting to this dogma being peddled to their children CHOSE to expose them to it (although, as Dreamy points out, they could all give up their jobs, wave a magic wand and homeschool)

I’m with the majority of responders. The Catholic Church is homophobic, and espouses male and female only relationships. Why would you not realise that a school run by a certain organisation would. Have the same agenda? Any private school, run by an individual group, will spout the ethos of that group whatever it is. I’m more surprised that your supposed to be honest.

If you want a faith school for your child then that's fine. But you pay for it. Don't expect me to.

And here we are again. Some folk really do live in a bubble

No,they just have common fucking sense. Really sadly lacking.
You either go there and suck it up or you don't go there. Not demand everyone has to think the same as you.

I m so sad that the Catholic Church and its followers have such a bad rep when all I have experienced from the inside is tolerance and love.

Travel more then.
See how your warm fuzzy church still behaves in countries where it is not prevented from showing its true colours quite so vividly like it is here.

It's playing "nice" here because it doesn't have much power. That's all.

Children should not be excluded from any school.
However if it is a faith school, it's common sense that the school will hold the chosen faith at the heart of the school.
Parents should be able to understand that.

Parents do understand that. That's why they're angry that their taxes are paying for it. Faith belongs in houses of worship and private homes. Not state-funded schools.

"A religion/faith is based on teachings in an historical book. As we all get different information from the same book, we all look at things differently. So yes the same religion however, different views on what the basis is actually meant"
The book being the bible right? So the different interpretations are the different branches of Christianity.

If you're a Catholic rather than a Methodist or Baptist, you are supporting the CATHOLIC interpretation of Christianity (and it's application in the world)

although, as Dreamy points out, they could all give up their jobs, wave a magic wand and homeschool)

Word twisting. I said that was an option in amongst others.
I did not say that's what you had to do at all.
I said you send them to a catholic school and accept that (duh) they teach catholic teachings, and educate your child that there are other beliefs out there, or if you don't want to do that then you don't send them there.
It's really not hard.

@Dreamy that logic is insane.

You either go there and suck it up or you don't go there. Not demand everyone has to think the same as you

Where the fuck do live - and on what planet - do parents have this idyllic freedom of choice? This freedom to select schools as they wish? This freedom to move areas?

I’m incredulous that you’re this detached from reality.

PancakeInMaBelly

Again, the countries are being ruled by a person not a religion.

Look at the middle east where Muslim faith is head.

Raping of women etc.

Does that mean all Muslims believe this is right?
Of course not.
It is a leader who is using a book in that case the Koran and interpreting it to their advantage, so these horrible crimes can take place.

And Catholicism has such a fabulous record of respecting and empowering women.

The last Magdalene Laundry closed in 1996

I didn't say it did

It's always the hand of people not a book.

The messages about paying for religious schools make no sense. That to me is like saying if I have boys I won’t pay for girls only schools, if I pay for faith school I won’t pay for grammar schools or non faith schools. If I have no children why should I fund any school? What about the unemployed who don’t fund schools etc etc etc. You don’t pick & choose. Many faith schools also have voluntary contributions and own the land and buildings, without them the councils would have to spend more on non faith schools.

If you don’t like the ethos move your children, appreciate it’s not possible for everyone but for most it probably is

while the Catholic Church HAD a shocking history in regards safeguarding it is now regarded by those in the know as being gold standard

Unfortunately, the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse appears not to share that confidence: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-42143673

Worse still, it appears that the church is still clinging to its determination to keep the civil authorities at bay: www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/bishops-do-not-have-to-report-child-abuse-vatican-says-a6866061.html

Then there's the foot-dragging over release of relevant documents they'd rather keep hidden: www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/call-to-open-church-records-to-abuse-survivors-461139.html

Plus the discrediting of the Commission for the Protection of Minors: catholicherald.co.uk/news/2017/03/01/abuse-survivor-resigns-from-popes-panel-over-vatican-resistance/

It would be nice to think - as we've been told so many times before - that everything's different now, but this isn't really borne out by the facts, is it?

No,they just have common fucking sense. Really sadly lacking.

No dear. No common fucking sense is ‘if it mattered that much to you, you would either stop work and home school, or move/pay’, which is so stunningly not based in reality it’s hard to know where to start.

You either go there and suck it up or you don't go there.

Or you go there, because it is the only realistic option available to you given the circumstances, try to make th best of it, and deal with issues case by case as they arise including challenging the most egregious issues where the school is out of step with their legal requirements to do what the state pays them to do.

Not demand everyone has to think the same as you.

Again, lovely straw man. No one is demanding that. At all. Why do you keep pretending they do?