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To think 6 year olds should not be wearing this

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welliments · 01/02/2018 17:57

Merchandise from a major dance show at the excel centre in London next month. They sell these, and tshirts from age 6 up.

I’m going to have to explain to a 10 year old why she can’t have a jumper...

To think 6 year olds should not be wearing this
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welliments · 03/02/2018 08:34

notbadconsidering

Exactly.

favenumberis2

What I can’t grasp is how as a writer you are
A) failing to put together a non contradictory argument
B) failing to not at least understand the other side of the argument

Surely whatever kind of writing you do, that’s your job?

And I only bring your job into it as up thread you seemed to indicate that this made you better placed to judge.

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DreamyMcDreamy · 03/02/2018 08:36

@welliments

Thank you for informing me I'm wrong. I hope you've gone through the thread and personally informed 50% of people on this thread that they are also wrong. Or have you just reserved that special honour for me?

Oh,don't worry.she/he/it has told others they're "wrong." not just you. Grin

You've got

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welliments · 03/02/2018 08:37

Is it an echo chamber dreamy?

Sorry, several pages ago you said only the filthy minded minority would read something into this jumper.

Now you’re saying you’re the only one on a thread full of dirtyminded mothers.

Which one is it?

You seem to have stopped arguing anypoints as you can’t and are just still here because leaving would mean admitting you were wrong...

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DreamyMcDreamy · 03/02/2018 08:37

bold fail, silly phone

DreamyMcDreamy · 03/02/2018 08:40

Is it an echo chamber dreamy?

No, it isn't, if you read properly, I said you'd be happier with it being an echo chamber. People are telling you that they don''t agree with you. You're "how you can think like that is beyond me."
Because, it might be a novel concept to you, but not everyone has to agree with you.

DreamyMcDreamy · 03/02/2018 08:42

You seem to have stopped arguing anypoints as you can’t and are just still here because leaving would mean admitting you were wrong...

Because there's not much point, is there? You (if you're for real) are absolutely adamant you're right and that everyone who doesn't agree is wrong (your words.)
Why post if you're so adamant you're right in the first place?

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welliments · 03/02/2018 08:45

yawn

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DreamyMcDreamy · 03/02/2018 08:47

That does not make you or your views superior to me or mine

I never said it did Confused
We're all entitled to our views.
"We've got Dreamy's number" - seemed to be implying I'm a troll, just because I disagree. Just pointing out that no actually, I've been around for ages.

DreamyMcDreamy · 03/02/2018 08:48

yawn

You said it, welly.

FaveNumberIs2 · 03/02/2018 08:50

@welliments

On the contrary, I said that as a wordsmith, I look at phrases from a twist of words point of view before I attach sexual connotations to it.

Where else would you wear a dance jumper if not when you are doing something to do with dance? Would you wear a work uniform out of work? Would you wear a tutu to do the Sunday shopping? A wet suit while in the library?

I don't need to explain my reasoning because I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, I'm not trying to make anyone think differently and I'm not in court. I'm just expressing my opinion.

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welliments · 03/02/2018 08:51

It’s been lovely chatting with you guys, I’m off on a no WiFi retreat celebrating 100 years of women getting the vote this weekend so won’t be able to post.

I definitely learnt something, hope some of you did too.

Whatever your opinion, if your a mumsnetter, I love ya, might think you’re wrong though Grin

To think 6 year olds should not be wearing this
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TheGoldenBowl · 03/02/2018 08:53

I always find it weird, on any thread, when people start complaining that "you want everyone to agree with you". Obviously we all think our opinion is the right one. And we're going to argue our opinion. And we're going to disagree with people of the opposite opinion. We know people are going to disagree. But we will still promote our view. That's how it works. Confused

NataliaOsipova · 03/02/2018 08:55

Here's another example. Someone bought me a novelty gift - a bottle of wine with a label which read "Keep Calm and Drink Wine".

This is clearly a reference to the WW2 "Keep Calm and Carry On" poster, which has spawned a whole range of "Keep Calm and...."

Could someone who wasn't familiar with this historical context just look at the bottle and think that it meant that drinking wine was calming? Of course they could. Would that make sense on those terms? It would.

.....but everyone who knows that historical reference would just view it differently and see it as something "of that ilk".

Raindancer411 · 03/02/2018 09:02

I agree Natalia... if you know the words relate to something, you can see that. I didn't know that attitude was a dance move, so that wouldn't even have come into my mind

MumsTheWordYouKnow · 03/02/2018 09:17

I do remember the smutty jokes when I was young of course, but still since the Nike ad having a completely different connotation, no it really doesn’t come across that way to me at all.

lottiegarbanzo · 03/02/2018 09:26

Oh Dreamy, Dreamy, Dreamy.

The thing is, you say you're disagreeing. But you're not. You haven't actually offered an alternative point of view.

You acknowledge the phrase references a common sexual innuendo joke trope. You are aware that many other adults will know this and 'see' it when they see the slogan. Yet you think it's fine to put a six yo in that shirt.

What you haven't yet explained - not once after all this time and effort - is WHY? What IS your argument?

'Dreamy says is ok to buy a shirt with a sexual innuendo on it for a six year-old because...

NotBadConsidering · 03/02/2018 09:28

if you know the words relate to something, you can see that

And if you accept that this is a thing, and plenty of people will see it as a thing if even you don't then you need to ask is it appropriate to be on a child's shirt? So the only possiblitities for disagreers are:

  1. you can't see or accept that this is a thing, which is weird given all the examples that this follows.
  2. you don't think this follows the pattern of "x do it with y" and think it's a perfectly innocent slogan, not remotely connected to that sex slogan pattern. Which is weird because you're wrong.
  3. you think it IS one of those things but you don't see the harm in it (in general population or specific situations) which is weird because you're saying you're fine with sex slogans on kids ( whether seen by few or everyone).
NotBadConsidering · 03/02/2018 09:30

possiblitities?

Outraged Mumsnetters do it with fast fingers.

adorkableme · 03/02/2018 10:11

I haven’t read through all the comments. Upon reading this top, I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. I don’t understand how anyone would equate it to sex despite others saying that they can. I also did Ballet and other styles of dance for 6 years so I see it as referencing the ballet term as well as showing attitude when dancing. The added hashtag makes me think more of it as dancing/exercise than anything sexual.

We can’t control how people see things. If people see it as sexual, ok, but many others don’t. I did see the H&M jungle thing referenced and that is not the same thing.

LemonShark · 03/02/2018 10:12

You really do need to read the comments in that case.

adorkableme · 03/02/2018 10:19

I read the first few pages where examples were given in how it is sexual and it still seems like quite a stretch imo.

LemonShark · 03/02/2018 10:38

It being clearly modelled on a well known long running pun/slogan about how different professions/hobbies have sex seem far fetched to you? Hmm

LemonShark · 03/02/2018 10:39

Sorry, stretch not far fetched

OldPony · 03/02/2018 10:52

This thread is hilarious! Bravo to the persistent posters.
I used to have a Relax t-shirt in the 80s. I now want one that says 'when you want to suck a chewit!'

Seriously, a 6 year old in that top would be all kinds of wrong no matter how ernest the parent was.

raviolidreaming · 03/02/2018 11:04

Where else would you wear a dance jumper if not when you are doing something to do with dance? ... Would you wear a tutu to do the Sunday shopping? A wet suit while in the library?

I know 6 year olds who would happily do all those things.