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To think 6 year olds should not be wearing this

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welliments · 01/02/2018 17:57

Merchandise from a major dance show at the excel centre in London next month. They sell these, and tshirts from age 6 up.

I’m going to have to explain to a 10 year old why she can’t have a jumper...

To think 6 year olds should not be wearing this
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FaveNumberIs2 · 02/02/2018 22:34

@NataliaOsipova

The slogan is Dancers do it with attitude, hardly Voulez-vous coucher avec moi (ce soir) ?

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welliments · 02/02/2018 22:36

I’m gonna say it

One

Last

Time

It is fine to think differently. I find it weird but that’s ok.

The question is...

would you let your child wear it knowing that people will think it is about sex?

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lottiegarbanzo · 02/02/2018 22:36

Yes, butterfly that was my point.

FaveNumberIs2 · 02/02/2018 22:37

@welliments

Yes.

My daughter is 19, she'd make the choice herself.

However, if she'd been a young dancer and had asked to wear this, I would let her. I'd use it to give her confidence, to show her that she can use attitude to her advantage in her dancing by having a strong attitude to hard work and perfection.

As it was, when my daughter was younger, she was more into judo that dancing.

NotBadConsidering · 02/02/2018 22:38

FaveNumberIs2,

I perfectly accept that some don't see it as a sexual slogan. But that's not what I asked. If you believe it's not sexualised, but know that 50% of the population do, are you happy with a 6 year old walking around with something that 50% of the population will think is sexual? 50% will think she's being sexualised?

NataliaOsipova · 02/02/2018 22:38

The slogan is Dancers do it with attitude, hardly Voulez-vous coucher avec moi (ce soir)?

We've discussed this ad inf from the start of the thread. Arguably, in some parts, it'd be a more obviously sexual slogan than the French example you posit.

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welliments · 02/02/2018 22:38

Ffs fave

It’s been pretty much established as fact that the logo is based on a piss poor 1980s joke, widely known, which insinuates that the ‘do it’ part means ‘have sex’

How you can still argue that the slogan is ok is beyond me. Even dreamymcdreamy gave up on that point several pages ago.

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Slanetylor · 02/02/2018 22:39

Fantastic! I love the " knock knock joke " analogy and the German/ French/ Spanish example! Thats exactly right, surely people see that it doesn't matter if THEY don't understand it, it's a real thing.

KnowYourPlace · 02/02/2018 22:39

It’s a bit of an in joke.

Attitude is a ballet pose.

What it means to say is ‘Dancers do it (ie: dance) with attitude (ie: pose)’.

If you don’t understand that ‘attitude’ is ballet terminology you won’t get it.

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welliments · 02/02/2018 22:41

Sorry fave.

It’s not often I tell others they are wrong.

But if you were to put a child in an item of clothing that you know 50% of the population see as a sexual insinuation, you’re wrong.

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welliments · 02/02/2018 22:42

We established that on page one know your place

It’s also an in joke where the do it means sex.

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FaveNumberIs2 · 02/02/2018 22:47

@NotBadConsidering
No.

Of those 50% who think it's a sexual slogan, not all of them will think it's sexualising the child wearing it.

If my child was a dancer, I'd let him/her wear it.

lottiegarbanzo · 02/02/2018 22:47

Well, sort of that. It was an attempted analogy for the idea, expressed previously that 'because I think you'd be crude, juvenile and try-hard to see a sex joke, you will not do so and, if you and others do, my condemnation for your crudeness outweighs, nay negates, self-righteous forcefield-like, their judgement of my poor choice.'

NataliaOsipova · 02/02/2018 22:47

If you don’t understand that ‘attitude’ is ballet terminology you won’t get it.

We discussed this last night, or about 5 pages ago.....The term is "in attitude", or it could possibly be used as a noun "an attitude". So yes, "Dancers have an attitude" could be construed as a clever play on ballet terminology. Dancers do it with attitude? Not so much. That's a not so clever play on an old (and very mildly smutty) joke.....

SheGotBetteDavisEyes · 02/02/2018 22:48

If you don’t understand that ‘attitude’ is ballet terminology you won’t get it

I know what 'attitude' is in ballet. That doesn't change it one bit.

But if you were to put a child in an item of clothing that you know 50% of the population see as a sexual insinuation, you’re wrong

This must sum things up, surely?

FaveNumberIs2 · 02/02/2018 22:49

@welliments

Thank you for informing me I'm wrong. I hope you've gone through the thread and personally informed 50% of people on this thread that they are also wrong. Or have you just reserved that special honour for me?

Obviously we are not allowed to have opinions on here.

Slanetylor · 02/02/2018 22:50

I suppose I'd see it in the same way as I see those shorts that don't fully cover your bum cheeks. On a child I'd think " oh dear, I hope they have one good adult in their life". I'd just think the child was a bit bulnurable or unprotected I guess.

Slanetylor · 02/02/2018 22:50

*vulnurable

NotBadConsidering · 02/02/2018 22:52

How is putting a sexual slogan on a 6 year old girl not a form of sexualisation? Confused

KnowYourPlace · 02/02/2018 22:53

See, even leaving he ballet terminology to one side, I just read it as: ‘Dancers do it (ie: dance) with attitude (ie: sassiness)’.

It really seems reaching to read innuendo into that.

bonbonours · 02/02/2018 22:53

Haven't read the whole thread but I agree it is clearly in the model of a million similar double entendres.

The fact that a 6 or even 10 year old child would be oblivious to that is not the point. Assuming they are going to wear it outside of the house, then other people, adults who will see it as a double entendre, will understand it to be so. Therefore you are potentially inviting dirty old men to have a snigger thinking about your 6 year old having sex with attitude.

Clearly, a jumper is not inciting anyone to do anything and perverts exist no matter what. But I just think keeping anything to do with sex well away from children is the way forward really.

Dianag111 · 02/02/2018 22:54

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ButterflyOnTheWindow · 02/02/2018 22:54

As someone who has had a dance teacher shout 'once more with feeling and attitude!' its not that big of a deal

You are in a small minority. Most of us haven't done any ballet or had that shouted at them.
Definitely not many blokes over 30. Or women. For the sake of equality. Ballet with attitude is not commonplace for most.
But everyone over 25 has seen the S does it with Y combination and if they say they haven't they are either spectacularly unobservant, or fibbing.

It IS that big of a deal if you don't see the problem with dressing small children in clothes that are displaying well recognised sexually suggestive double entendre, whilst the child him/herself is completely innocent of the the other meaning. And too young to understand it anyway. I mean after all this thread, why 'would' you?

WildWindsBlowing · 02/02/2018 22:54

That so many people don't see it as smutty for a 6 year old just shows how society is 'grooming' little girls to be identified as sexual from an early age.

Little girls wearing that would be looked at in a certain way by certain men who certainly won't 'get' what 'attitude' as a ballet term is either.

Shockers · 02/02/2018 22:58

So dancers aren’t allowed to enjoy their own dance puns, just in case the rest of us judge them by dodgy standards?

That’s really bloody sad.

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