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Alfie Evans

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IcySlippy · 01/02/2018 11:50

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/alfie-evans-parents-plead-sons-14231597

Anyone following this?

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Redglitter · 23/04/2018 11:14

Yes that's their latest plan Hmm

I'm so glad I don't work for Merseyside Police today

MorningCuppa · 23/04/2018 11:14

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MorningCuppa · 23/04/2018 11:15

So why has the sofa been in there for
Months? And why was it taken out that Thursday night when everything first kicked off?? If it was so squished because of he equipment?? Surly it should t have been there in the first place then.

africanprincessinscotland · 23/04/2018 11:16

Absolutely Mighty Mucks. It beggars belief that people (not including the family who are so deep in hellish grief that rational thought is beyond difficult) think that the hospital will be doing anything that is not in Alfie's best interests. Including not having items in the room that may impede his care, or may increase the (looking at the FB site) real risk of them trying to remove him. AH's responsibility is to the child, and the other children in their care.

Mightymucks · 23/04/2018 11:16

This lethal injection story is awful as well.

They put up the hospital documents last night. He is having an injection of anti seizure medication an fentanyl before the life support is withdrawn. It will stop him from dying in pain and allow him dignity by allowing him to die peacefully without seizures. It will probably mean that even if he could survive of life support he won’t. So in a sense they are right. But it’s the gamble do you want to risk an awful, painful, undignified death for the tiny chance of some more life which is probably going to be of poor quality.

It’s a heartbreaking decision to make and I am glad I didn’t have to. The court have all the information and have decided it is the best way. But I suppose to Alfie’s parents it feels like the last small shred of hope being taken away.

CakeOfThePan · 23/04/2018 11:17

Part of the issue with this is the same as a lot of the family court and social services cases. The professional bodies are quite rightly, bound by ethics and codes which means they cannot discuss cases or details. But parents and families can say what the hell they like without any reply from the professionals involved. So a trial by media is never fair.

Potplant2 · 23/04/2018 11:19

As I read it the fentanyl and the anti seizure drug are going to be prepared and a cannula inserted so they can be given, but they will only be given if Alfie is in pain or distress after he is taken off the machines. They won’t be given in advance of removal of life support.

stitchglitched · 23/04/2018 11:19

Tbf Morning you aren't in the room either and are getting your information entirely from one sided posts on fb where the staff involved have no right of reply.

Cassimin · 23/04/2018 11:19

This is a brand new hospital so I'm sure they have made provisions for parents to be able to stay close to their children at such desperate times.
I have been reading these threads for a while and I can fully understand why Tom and Kate are acting the way they are.
I am a foster carer and I have had many battles for children I have cared for.
Just a couple of weeks ago I was sent a prescription for the wrong medication, just as well I checked as the child would have been overdosed if I hadn't.
Saying that I have also had good experiences and I wouldn't hesitate in taking a child there if it was needed.
I have also had bad experiences and wrong diagnosis in other hospitals. My mum was treated for a hernia, had cancer.
Dad was placed on pathway as had lung and brain cancer. Death certificate showed no sign of either.
One of the the last things my dad said to drs was 'remember the hypocrattic oath.'
I'm sure TE have heard lots of horror stories.
Every time Alfie moves they will see it as a positive. They are doing what they think is best for their son, two young people who feel they have no voice and bullied by people in authority.
I completely understand why they are doing all they can.

RunMummyRun68 · 23/04/2018 11:20

morning yes unfortunately I have experience of those rooms. Sadly. Sofas are not the norm

But then again in my experience 'kicking off' with doctors and nurses isn't the norm either

Are you always so rude by the way?

Mightymucks · 23/04/2018 11:21

I saw the document last night and it said it would be given beforehand. After all, there’s no point giving anti seizure medication if he’s already dying and fitting, it would be pointless.

RunMummyRun68 · 23/04/2018 11:21

Yes cass parents providion is family rooms and Ronald Mac Donald house

EB123 · 23/04/2018 11:21

The thing with the sofa is nobody really knows why it was removed and why it hasn't gone back and we probably won't ever know. It is just speculation. I would be very surprised though if AH had done it without reason though as they know it will be recorded and used against them.

RunMummyRun68 · 23/04/2018 11:22
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QuackPorridgeBacon · 23/04/2018 11:24

I haven’t been following this case but it seems to be going the way of Charlie? So is his little baby on life support? And people are suggesting putting him in a sling and lowering him out of the window? Are these people mentally right in the head? Some people love the drama of others and don’t realise that they can go back to their quiet little lives but the boys parents will have to live in this hype for a long time wondering what happened to all the support.

ShatnersWig · 23/04/2018 11:25

Morning Ease off. Seriously.

JustAnotherSod · 23/04/2018 11:25

MightyMucks No it doesn't, it says a venflon will be sited and the medications given if Alfie requires them - which they will I presiume judge by how he presents. The doctors and nurses in that hospital have cared for that little boy for many, many months and won't want his last moments to be anything but peaceful for him.

Mightymucks · 23/04/2018 11:27

justanother, you are wrong. The exact quote from the document is:

With regard to the process of withdrawal of ventilation from Alfie, the Trust proposes that ... a cannula will be placed in situ and infusions of Midazolam (an anxiolytic) and Fentanyl (an analgaesic) will be prepared. They would be commenced and increased to control symptoms if necessary.

Burntout93 · 23/04/2018 11:28

I do think Doctors and Nurses are not as well respected as twenty years ago.

MorningCuppa · 23/04/2018 11:29

Ease off? Why because what I'm saying isn't what you all agree with, that's the problem with these threads, no one is allowed to state an opinion without an "army" of people jumping on them because they don't agree.
I don't care if you agree or disagree I'm entitled to an opinion as much as you lot are, and I don't agree with two young parents who are fighting for there son to not have a comfy chair at least to sit on. It's disgusting weather what there doing is right or wrong doesn't make this right.

TidyDancer · 23/04/2018 11:30

The family are apparently no longer allowed access to the Ronald McDonald house. Although I imagine they would want to be at the hospital anyway at the moment.

RunMummyRun68 · 23/04/2018 11:30

Entitled to an opinion but you were rude.... no need for that

MorningCuppa · 23/04/2018 11:30

Run I'm sure that's the case when children are poorly but end of life? I wouldn't be leaving my child's side knowing they only have hours/days left, that's for sure.

Mightymucks · 23/04/2018 11:31

morning, to be honest I suspect the sofa is really neither here nor there and the parents are just using that as a psychological distraction from the fact their son is dying. I think they are literally seizing on anything no matter how trivial just so they don’t have to think about that. Sad

MorningCuppa · 23/04/2018 11:31

No run I wasn't rude, but of course your enthralled to your opinion.