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Alfie Evans

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IcySlippy · 01/02/2018 11:50

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/alfie-evans-parents-plead-sons-14231597

Anyone following this?

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Mummybear11 · 19/04/2018 01:19

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RunMummyRun68 · 19/04/2018 09:13

mummybear why are you spamming with that rubbish?

Mummybear11 · 19/04/2018 09:32

It's not rubbish at all there are a fee supporters on here. It was for anyone who Is willing to sign it

JoanofNarc · 19/04/2018 09:35

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RunMummyRun68 · 19/04/2018 09:38

Going on about 'parental rights'...... they don't exist!! Do you know that?

Parents have 'responsibility' not 'rights'..... all rights are with the child

It's gone beyond a joke now. Are you part of the barmy army?

GnotherGnu · 19/04/2018 18:45

Pointless really. A petition cannot overturn a court order.

cocoabutterformula · 19/04/2018 22:15

Mummybear Seriously??

chandlersfraud · 19/04/2018 22:29

@Mummybear11 have you read the court transcripts of the judgement? The summary and addressing of questions document by the hospital?

I wonder how many of the most vocal "supporters" in the army have read the facts. There is so much misinformation on there:

  • that Alfie is being denied 'treatment'
  • that the Pope can over ride British law
  • that if the hospital 'back down' then Alfie can fly to Rome tomorrow

Please look at the actual facts.

Mummybear11 · 19/04/2018 22:37

Id try if it was me and please do not seriously me just because I have a different opinion to anyone else. I'm not a conspiracy theorist or anything like that although I did watch the exposure thing last night. We don't know what they see the video where he moved on his own just made look at him and think if I saw that I'd try everything in my power. So sarcasm to yourself please. I expected different on this page it's not fb!

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Mummybear11 · 19/04/2018 22:43

I had a look on here and saw some mothers who felt Alfie should be able to go.
It's doesn't really matter I won't change you're opinion and you won't change mine

BigPinkBall · 19/04/2018 22:48

I’d just like to point out that in the UK parents do not have “parental rights” the child has rights of their own.

Children are not owned by parents and are people in their own right.

The court will decide what is in Alfie’s best interests, and quite rightly will not take into account what the parents want if they feel it is not best for Alfie.

I sincerely hope that he is not in pain and that the parents can find some peace in knowing that they tried their hardest and could not have done more to help their little boy.

AgathaMystery · 19/04/2018 22:49

I see the last thread was deleted. Hadn't looked at it in 24hrs so not sure what happened on there. Anyway.

The court transcript is very sad reading. He has almost no brain matter left. How tragic. It must be hard to do his daily cares, never mind an actual transport and transfer.

The saddest part was where Tom Evans said he would prefer his son die in transit than a planned withdrawal of care in a hospital or hospice Sad it would be so chaotic and frightening and so so distressing. He admitted to the judge he had no plan for his son. Just go to Rome then on to Munich if the BG staff cannot 'save' his son.

That little baby has almost no brain left. No one can save him. What a mess.

GnotherGnu · 19/04/2018 23:38

Sadly the only movements in the videos result from seizures.

liverbird10 · 20/04/2018 00:13

I see the same hangers on from "Charlie's Army" are spreading their usual misinformed bile across various forms of social media, having latched onto the case of this poor baby, with scant regard for fact or reason.

miffytherabbit1974 · 20/04/2018 01:16

I think @BigPinkBall makes an essentially important point about children, under British law, being afforded the same rights and considerations as adults. This matters, imho, because, after having read the Judiciary’s documents, there’s a very strong sense that Alfie’s parents have been struggling with the reality that their needs and rights have to come after the needs and rights of their child. This frustration on their part is totally understandable when grief, a sense of a loss of control and distress are playing strongly on perspective and reasoning.

There’s little doubt from the Judiciary documents from February that the father, in particular, either can not accept or just will not accept the heart-breaking futility found by pursuing further lines of treatment other than palliative. A good number of extremely skilled and knowledgeable consultants have concluded that Alfie’s neurological degeneration is unremitting and only worsening. The health of his brain is already at a stage where seeing, thinking, feeling, hearing and perceiving are absent. It has been very simply but effectively explained that any responses Alfie does exhibit are triggered reflexively via autonomous reactions in the spinal cord. It would seem that, for whatever reasons, the father is interpreting these reflexes as a sign of higher brain activity or as an improvement in Alfie’s condition. To demonstrate just how bad the state of Alfie’s condition is now - his thalamus and many other essential brain sections have been entirely physically destroyed by his neurodegenerative condition. If the respiration he was receiving were to be removed he would die almost immediately, according to the report from the Judiciary.

It’s one thing for a parent to be put in to this impossible position, but in my view the actions of the protestors is frankly immoral and opportunist. Almost all closely involved in Alfie’s case have said or hinted that his parents would be much less confused, agitated and angry, and more able to think clearly and carefully about Alfie’s interests if these protestors would leave them, and the other patients and patient’s families in peace. This is to say nothing of the appalling and unpardonable abuse targeted at nurses, doctors and hospital staff - many of whom have no part in this particular case and are simply trying to do a difficult job to the best of their abilities.

Petitions like the one above serve no-one apart from the people signing it. It makes them feel important and self-righteous whilst having no real effect on the good care of this child. It’s only function is to make people reactive and indignant - and there’s already too much of those particular emotions involved in this situation as it is.

TheOriginalEmu · 20/04/2018 02:46

Very well put Miffy....that said, I do slightly disagree on the parents being influenced by the outside input (though there is definitely a degree of that) as much as it being a reciprocal thing. Tweeting to get as many supporters to 'greet' him off the plane and get the media there, for instance. The apparent falsification of texts. He's in danger of losing sympathy from many people at this point. I find the whole thing extremely sad. That poor little boy.

cocoabutterformula · 20/04/2018 07:07

Mummybear Miffy puts it very eloquently, I totally agree with the post.

bookworm14 · 20/04/2018 08:12

Excellent post, miffy.

Mummybear11 · 20/04/2018 08:13

Can anyone help me with this then and what would you have said initially when he was born?This boy was born practically without a brain. He was born with only 2% at the time of this article he was 4 years old. Imagine if many of us were protesting against this back then. I am not a doctor but I am a parent and this would understandably give me hope. Please take a look and I welcome comments on this. Please no barmy army. I don't agree with violence etc and I haven't attacked the hospital or staff. Please read the below link

www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/boy-no-brain-stuns-doctors-9778554

cocoabutterformula · 20/04/2018 09:23

I think that this is a sort of reverse case though? Alfie's brain is deteriorating, I see what you are saying though about the advice at the beginning. Sadly I think they are very different situations though,.

frasersmummy · 20/04/2018 09:33

It's not going to happen but what if the courts say.. Right go.. Take your son to Italy?

What then?? The parents then to move to. Italy permanently?? That's a huge step.. An then all their relatives are here.

Those young parents isolated in a country where they dont talk their native language with a child who is never going to recover

Mummybear11 · 20/04/2018 09:33

Completely agree but he isn't at the level of what this little boy was at and it continues to grow. Doctors have stated Alfie isn't in pain so what if this thing could be stopped in it's tracks and maybe try something different that's how I see it x

BigPinkBall · 20/04/2018 09:37

Mummybear11 with all due respect I’m sure this is something the medical team at AH will have considered and second or even third opinions will have been sought before it got to this stage.

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