Alfie Evans

[IcySlippy]

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/alfie-evans-parents-plead-sons-14231597

Anyone following this?

Swim

Depends where you draw the line on name calling but as to how upset people get but saying it’s in the job description is just legitimising abuse. If you’ve got tough skin and can handle that, well good for you but that doesn’t make it acceptable

I'm guessing you're being obtuse Swim? Absolutely no one should have to go through what the staff at Alder Hey have been through. It's not a one off. It's been continuous defamatory statements made for weeks on end.

No, not at all NearlyDad. It's an acknowledgement that we would aim to build trust quickly with relatives, communicate effectively, and help them to understand the situation and believe that we are doing everything with best interests in mind. However, people are people, and in extreme times of stress, they do react in extreme ways, and they often can't hear that.

Somebody was suggesting a protest outside St Mary’s

Great now we are getting 'why are you going on about the royal baby when Alfie is being murdered today' posts. Claiming he will be poisoned with midozalam 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️and if he was royal they would magic him a healthy working brain
Thick as mince this lot thick as mince

people getting confused between giving medication to ease distressing symptoms, which may also be sedating and slow breathing down a bit, and "offing my mother/Sister/father/brother" ..

However, if TE were to slow down for a minute and actually listen to the staff, instead of calling them murderers, and revving up hundreds of thousands of peope across social media, he might actually begin to understand that.

They’ve instructed an Italian law firm to appeal to the European Commission. Are they able to overrule the Supreme Court.

They've instructed an Italian law firm to file an immediate appeal with the European Commission 'to defend the rights and interests recognised by EU law against the United Kingdom'.

I honestly think it's clutching at straws.

The last word from the courts was that there is no further legal recourse.

I can't imagine the atmosphere in the hospital today, so sad.

Oops! Cross post.

@swimagainstthetide....

No i do not accept that being sworn at, spat at, me and my family being threatened, having chairs thrown at me and my professionalism and morals being called into question is 'part of my job'.

It is a symptom of a huge problem we as a civilised society have and the Alfie Evans case is unfortunately encapsulating that.

As a doctor i do not mind, and actively encourage discussion about treatment plans, or investigations and will listen when families or patients want to explore ideas or options they may have looked up on the internet etc, BUT I DO MIND when if i have explained to them why the latest crackpot pseudoscience they have discovered via some internet page is not suitable/available/correct ; they then get abusive/violent/aggressive.

There is no way we should expect our healthcare and social care professionals should have to deal with this, it is not what i trained for.

Its not that i think as a doctor i am omnipotent and always know better, but the bottom line is after years of training and education most doctors DO know better than the armchair specialists who lack the intellectual integrity and rigour to understand the difference between some nonscence on a facebook page and real scientifically proven facts.

AA is a point in kind

Does that mean they have changed lawyers? Or are they still involved with the CLC?

I feel desperately sorry for them, i do feel like Tom is spiralling out of control. I also really worry about Kate? It is like she has been forgotten.

"No i do not accept that being sworn at, spat at, me and my family being threatened, having chairs thrown at me and my professionalism and morals being called into question is 'part of my job'."

I don't think I said that anyone should be accepting physical attacks or threats, did I? In fact I specifically excluded it as a range of reactions that should be expected. I am talking about angry words that are spoken.

I'll leave it there. I'm not justifying my experience of the job.

Theredjellybean of course you know better, most people know this I am sure. My child was recently at GOSH and I listened intently to every piece of information the clinicians imparted, the idea of getting angry at medical staff because I didn't like what I was hearing is completely beyond me.

I think we are dealing with a whole bunch of people who have taken the 'sick of experts' comment to a new level sadly.

Can you imagine the conspiracy theories if the Royal Baby is born on the dot of .... today?

Perhaps the appeal is Vatican sponsored.

trekking..i hope your child is doing ok , sadly these people on the AA page are the tip of the iceberg.
I encounter this kind of behaviour to a degree every single clinic.

What happens in the US? Does the medical insurance company just pull out from cover in these situations?

Because induction is sooo predictable and reliable!

This is heartbreaking for the family. I can’t imagine what they are going through. I do hope though that some close ago TE tells him to spend some time with his son and stay off FB. The “army” is ... well not helpful.

“Take your child and run”
“Let’s all go into the ward at the hospital and stand there”
“They can’t arrest everyone”
“What does it matter if he dies on the plane, least they tried”

Some of them believe poor Alfie should be given a reprieve because the new royal will likely be born today.

Members of the army are bombarding the CQC with complaints (mouldy feeding tubes etc). Apparently they are 'going to investigate'.

Tessliketrees so true. I have watched these threads with increasing horror at the hypocrisy. people slagging of the "army" post whilst acting the same.
at the heart of this is a dying boy and a soon to bereaved family.
yet its just an "interesting saga" for the main group of posters.

This has all got completely out of control

Isn’t publishing private documents and slandering AH in anyway illegal ?

Next time a case like this happens there needs to be privacy and a social media ban

Personally I am getting sick of the absolute lies and slander printed on the Facebook feed and think it should be shut down

Really feel for AH they are only doing what most hospitals would do and they are getting no support at all from the powers that be and from the media to close TE lies down

What would happen if they took Alfie to Rome he will die in transit or will they a young poor couple spend the next however years living in Rome ??

Also I think they are misrepresenting / reading what they want into what the pope has said he has asked “for a peaceful resolution” “and thought for the parents and those involved” or something similiar and he has not said he believes AH are wrong - in fact the U.K. Catholic Church put out a statelment saying they are not in anyway as a church denouncing AH

Also sick of TE saying stuff like “everyone in Liverpool won’t let Alfie die” - untrue many many people in Liverpool are sick of the negative stuff from them and are glad to have a world class hospital like AH

Someone needs to take Tom's devices off him now and him and Kate need to spend Alfie's last hours peacefully together.