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Alfie Evans

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IcySlippy · 01/02/2018 11:50

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/alfie-evans-parents-plead-sons-14231597

Anyone following this?

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Raven88 · 23/04/2018 07:41

@cocoabutterformula last night at 10pm

Rhodiolia · 23/04/2018 07:41

RunMummy, it's all in this thread, he made threats to any member of AH staff that "murders" his son at the time the court set plus all the Freeman stuff he seems to believe in.

Raven88 · 23/04/2018 07:44

I didn't know that had been shared already

Rhodiolia · 23/04/2018 07:47

Sadly, I think today is going to be a complete shitstorm and TE is in real danger of missing his child's last moments :(

CocoaGin · 23/04/2018 07:57

I would imagine the hospital have made provisions for attempts to stop proceedings Rhodiola and there will be a heavy Police and security presence. I feel so sorry for all the other poor children and parents on the PICU, it's not going to be an easy day.

toriap2 · 23/04/2018 07:57

Dear lord, they are comparing the staff at Alder Hey to Beverley Allitt and Shipman now. And saying that TE can refuse to allow them to inject Alfie. do they not realise these drugs will help to make the removal easier and without them it will not be a peaceful end. Do they not think that those nurses and doctors who have cared for alfie for so long will not be doing everything they can to make alfie comfortable and peaceful.

Bbbbbbbb2017 · 23/04/2018 08:00

At this rate he will not be allowed at his bedside.

HariboIsMyCrack · 23/04/2018 08:03

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SoupyNorman · 23/04/2018 08:06

How very sad.

Flowers to everyone at Alder Hey today, I’m sure it’s a difficult place to be in right now.

Rhodiolia · 23/04/2018 08:08

Sending strength to you & everyone else attending AH today, Haribo, all the best for your wee boy.

Weezol · 23/04/2018 08:09

It's time Alfie was made a ward of court. This is horrific. I know this is an awful time for the family, but this needs to stop now. It's getting to the point where the father risks missing the last few days of his son's life because of this crusade. I hate the way various opportunists (FMOTL and Christian Law Centre) have latched on to this.

I wish there was a way to stop the staff of AH and all the other families on PICU having to be around all the AA stuff. At what point do their rights and needs take priority over this circus?

Is there no way anything can be done to stop them gathering so close to the hospital?

As a Catholic, we would normally pray for a swift recovery or a blessed release, so I really don't know what the heck they think the Pope can do in real terms.

reallyanotherone · 23/04/2018 08:10

I was reading various posts last night and came across a wonderful lady named kerry annable.

I have dithered over posting but her post is public so i will share- if anyone feels it’s inappropriate please report. I am never sure of the protocols here.

But this is so beautiful and so eloquent, it is everything te needs to hear: especially the end paragraph where she says her little boy “won”.

*With all of the heartbreaking stories of children in the media at the moment I want to explain to people how I carry on. How I don't let the heartbreak of Harry make me sink.

Harry was adorable. My second and very much wanted and loved baby. But Harry suffered a great deal. I sadly belief people are confused over disability and illness. Harry had no quality of life. He was born ill. That is the big burning issue... what is quality of life? I know I have my views on what that is.

Harry was not a fighter. He was brave. He was courageous. He had a progressive illness that tortured his little body. The only fight going on was our fight to get him the best care and comfort until he was ready to leave us .

I actively told specialists to stay away. I refused appointments. Because ultimately he only wanted myself and his dad. Sadly sometimes there are no medical answers. There wasn't any sadly in Harry's case.

So what helps me carry on. The fact that in the end my little boy won. He told doctors, nurses, everything he hated to do one. He's no longer in pain and suffering. And that it what consoles me. Every waking moment.
#missyouHarry #Forever3*

LadyPenelope68 · 23/04/2018 08:10

“we're taking DS to AH for surgery today. Fucking great. Obviously I wasn't stressed enough already 🙄

Fucking morons.“

Haribols - Totally agree with you and good luck to you and your DS today with the surgery.

Sirzy · 23/04/2018 08:11

haribols hope all goes well.

The whole thing is just out of hand now and at the centre of it a poor boy is suffering

Weezol · 23/04/2018 08:11

Haribo My thoughts and prayers go with you all today. Flowers

LadyPenelope68 · 23/04/2018 08:16

“I wish there was a way to stop the staff of AH and all the other families on PICU having to be around all the AA stuff. At what point do their rights and needs take priority over this circus? “

As a parent who had a child at Alder Hey on PICU 2 weeks ago I feel desperately sorry for the staff and parents/patients on ICU. The whole Evans circus and their attitude of shout loud enough/cause enough disruption and we’ll get what we want had a massive impact on those in the unit when we were there. But this current time will be even worse. They want to start thinking about spending the time with their son, not causing disruption and show respect for others on the unit - including some who may also today going through a similar situation to them. Why do their rights trump anyone else’s. Totally fucking selfish.

CocoaGin · 23/04/2018 08:16

Haribo hope everything goes well today for your little one.

Mightymucks · 23/04/2018 08:17

runmummy, the Dad broke the court order several times. He posted the detailed. hospital protocol for removing treatment including the drugs that would be administered and who would be permitted in etc. He announced the exact time. There was an awful lot of ranting. Threatening private prosecutions.

I know a lot of people find the actions of the parents upsetting (and Haribo, sorry you’re going through this and I hope all goes well), but after what I saw last night I’m genuinely convinced his father is having a real breakdown. I don’t think he is acting rationally at all and I’m very concerned about him. I think he’s totally sincere in what he’s doing, but I think he’s totally lost contact with reality.

I’m guessing the high stress of the situation has led to some sort of breakdown. What I saw last night was very upsetting.

Rhodiolia · 23/04/2018 08:19

Weezol, it is too late for that, Alfie has only hours left :(

HariboIsMyCrack · 23/04/2018 08:19

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Birdsgottafly · 23/04/2018 08:21

Weezol, no there isn't. It would be seen as an abuse of power and would kick things off. If the 'Army' or those that latch on, get out of order, the appropriate thing to do is to make arrests.

I live in a area just up the road, when things kick off, the Police struggle to keep a lid on it. They will want to go for a peaceful-as-possible option.

I agree that even threads like this is adding fuel to the fire. Posters are now watching FB/Instagram for updates and gleefully sharing them, who wouldn't have done.

alfiepetition · 23/04/2018 08:23

I didn't start this but have signed it and would suggest you all do, and share. Petition for a protest exclusion zone outside hospitals, legitimate protests excepted. It only has one month left to run so get sharing!

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/205625

Birdsgottafly · 23/04/2018 08:28

Mightymucks I agree about him being so consumed with grief (at 21) that he can't think rationally.

The Doctors and the Judges are saying the same in their summing up.

Were the Army think they know better than the Doctors. Posters on here think that they know better than all of the professionals, who are coming into contact with Tom. They all say the same, rather than the ridiculous accusations that have been bandied on here.

The delegated thread just got stupid, as did parts of the first one. Some of the accusations about the whole of Liverpool, shows that any Mob can get carried away, quite easily.

Rhodiolia · 23/04/2018 08:30

The Army are now enraged that the Duchess of Cambridge has gone into labour today. Though some have mistakenly thought it was Alfie's mum!

Birdsgottafly · 23/04/2018 08:33

Alfiepetition the edge of Alderney is in a public park, the exclusion zone wouldn't have worked in this case.

Why can staff shout etc, but no-one else can? Its being voted in because of the disgraceful protests about abortion but it will be used unfairly on the public.