Alfie Evans

[IcySlippy]

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/alfie-evans-parents-plead-sons-14231597

Anyone following this?

Bearing in mind that TE's written English is pretty poor, who is it who has written that load of old nonsense above?

Miffy that's exactly what I though, it reads like he's the director of the hospital or chief of staff and is setting out the conditions in a very formal manner.

@miffy I’ve thought since the riots, sorry peaceful protests, last week and watching Tom on live stream that he thinks he is some sort of commanding officer to an actual army. Being outside and making comments ‘got to keep these lot in cjeck’ and ‘need to make sure they do as they are told’ his whole demeanour was of someone who thinks he is in charge. The post you quoted is further evidence of that.

At this rate I can see them heading towards an emergency ward of court application from AH and him being banned from Alfie’s bedside.

This is really starting to worry me now.

I'm presuming the date is imminent.

TE is desperate. However, the kindest,
most loving thing that he could do for his son would be to let him go.
He will never ever accept that Alfie is terminal and I worry what will happen tomorrow.

In his eyes, what has he got to lose?

AH is our local hospital. I am truly grateful to live within 10 minutes of the place.
I was in there as a child and both of my dc have been patients.

The abuse that the hospital has received sickens me. The absolute bloody idiots on that page who are spouting utter bollocks are going too far now.
Wonder what happens god forbid if one of their children becomes seriously ill? Where will they take them? Oh yes of course- Alder Hey.

The good people of Liverpool have deep sympathy for this family, the sane people that I know and have discussed the case with all agree that the courts have made the right decision.

When deciphering the words on the barmy army page I wonder how on earth these people actually function in our society and more worryingly, many of them are living around me. Scary thoughts.

On a serious note, I would not wish this situation on anyone, I'm a mum, I would fight for my two of course I would. Am I a doctor? No I'm not.
There comes a point when denial can only take you so far. Every single avenue has been explored and at times exploited.

I am deeply sorry for TE and KJ and also for the staff involved in the procedures that are due.
Nobody will get any satisfaction ending life support and nobody should go to work and face what is coming. TE is not thinking straight and I have a feeling that something terrible is going to happen.
I hope to god I'm wrong.

unless they attempt to harm Alfie, they have nothing to fear

Since TE has made it very clear that he regards the withdrawal of Alfie's life support as murder, the implied threat here is obvious ... so as I've said before, I can only hope the hospital have made suitable preparations

Many of us have been through awful, awful things in our lives. Many of us. It doesn't give us an entitlement to behave badly

Not for the first time, Miffy has it in a nutshell

Have you read the latest instagram post threatening private prosecutions?

@FlyingBird yes, I quoted you because I presumed you were speaking from a place of having read a document that should have been kept private, that detailed an EOL plan. Perhaps I should have made it clear that I was speaking from the place of having read nothing about recent events in social media, on the basis that if it shouldn't have been released, I don't want to have seen it. So I was speaking simply from generic knowledge of human biology in EOL circumstances, and wrongly, perhaps, thought that you had thought "if they will do x at hh:mm, then y will follow at (hh:mm + hh:mm)" {keeping all musings as vague as possible to allow you no need to respond as to your thought process!!}.

My intention was simply to explain that regardless of all the expertise and knowledge in the world, no one has yet found a fool proof way of predicting how long it may take between commencement of EOL goal directed care (a much more accurate way of describing withdrawal of life supportive measures, btw.), and EOL.

Oh no
Someone close to him has to hold his face between their hands and shout at him now until he realises he is about to spend his son’s last day in police custody.

Come ON Tom Evans’ family and friends. Come ON. You must know the reality here. Save him from himself tonight. He’ll be devastated forever if he can’t be there to say goodbye.

@Owletterocks, no it's someone completely unconnected to healthcare. But holds quite a public position in Liverpool. He has absolutely nothing to do with any of this craziness.

I can't see a huge crowd turning by up to protest; some diehards, a few with their own political agendas, some people who fancy a fight. Who else? Ah lot of 'aww, I wish I could be with you hun' that's who.

Why have so many of the threads about Alfie been deleted over the last few days? The deletion messages say they're "not in the spirit of the site", but I don't remember any of the threads about Charlie Gard being deleted last year.

This is such a tragic situation. I think the threats of storming the hospital are just hot air from armchair warriors, though. "Charlie's Army" made similar threats that ultimately never came to anything.

AA are mental, but some of the stuff written on d4l is really awful too.

Poor Alfie

@Valanice1989

I think it's because people have been speculating on TE's past connections to Alder Hey

Thanks, Trumpdump, I didn't know about that.

Its a desperately sad situation for everyone. Alfie's parents are obviously traumatised but come on Tom do your best by Alfie and let him go with dignity. He deserves that...

This is about what's best for Alfie - not you! You seem to be revelling in the media frenzy you have created. Take a step back and do what's best for your son.

I think if people truly wanted dignity for Alfie, they would back away from this whole situation, stop discussing it, and stop giving oxygen to the fire that has been created around the situation.

As I said previously, this isn't an 'interesting case', it's someone's reality. The only people that should know about it are the parents, the courts and the treating team. Let them get on with it. If TE wants to bang a drum, let him, but it should be met with a fading echo, not a mob of encouragement to bang again, bang louder and bang faster on one hand, and a resistant mob telling him to put the drumsticks down on the other.

I really worry for the staff at AH, especially if the whole family are present at the time of the withdrawal. I hope Alfie is able to pass peacefully.

Many CG threads were deleted too

He said on the news the other day both parents accept he will die I thinks he means Alfie’s body gives up on its own.

Alfie's body gave up months ago, Pessimistic. The only way it's likely to give up on its own now whilst air is being forced into his lungs is either through a raging infection or through organ failure. Both of those are infinitely nastier ways to die than simply being allowed peacefully to stop breathing and slip away.

New post by TE

I genuinely think his father is having some sort of real mental breakdown. I’m not saying that to be unpleasant, but I saw what happened last night and I really am genuinely concerned about him.

From when Raven? Can't see any from today.

What happened last night?

He posted that Kate was refused a couch to sleep on in Alfie's room last night.