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Alfie Evans

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IcySlippy · 01/02/2018 11:50

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/alfie-evans-parents-plead-sons-14231597

Anyone following this?

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Ravenclawrealist · 22/04/2018 22:41

What is common law? I'm guessing he is basically saying the law has no rights over him or Alfie?

IronicWitttUsername · 22/04/2018 22:41

I have huge sympathy got TE and family. I do not have any them for the army who are filling his head with nonsense and aren't assessing the info rationally and are instead encouraging things that will be actively harmful to TE having a peaceful and of life time with his son and his Mum there

MorningCuppa · 22/04/2018 22:41

Tatty the posts are still there.

Tattybogle89 · 22/04/2018 22:42

CLosed group again..

JustAnotherSod · 22/04/2018 22:42

This wonderful poem bu Kahlil Gibran is in my mind just now:

Your children are not your children.
They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself.
They come through you but not from you,
And though they are with you yet they belong not to you.

You may give them your love but not your thoughts,
For they have their own thoughts.
You may house their bodies but not their souls,
For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow,
which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.
You may strive to be like them,
but seek not to make them like you.
For life goes not backward nor tarries with yesterday.

You are the bows from which your children
as living arrows are sent forth.
The archer sees the mark upon the path of the infinite,
and He bends you with His might
that His arrows may go swift and far.
Let your bending in the archer's hand be for gladness;
For even as He loves the arrow that flies,
so He loves also the bow that is stable.

RhinoGirl · 22/04/2018 22:42

If the date I’ve read is true, wtaf is he doing? He should be spending time with his son not writing rubbish all over social media.

cocoabutterformula · 22/04/2018 22:42

The page has been set to private again I think, please let someone with sense have got through to him..

Efrig · 22/04/2018 22:42

jellybean the staff are under court orders. They can’t allow anyone to take him. They have a duty of care towards him.

IronicWitttUsername · 22/04/2018 22:42

Has it not just gone private again?

starryskies78 · 22/04/2018 22:43

I saw them there two mins ago, posted 15mins ago, but they've locked the page down again.

The posts have been tweeted out already though.

I dread to think what tomorrow is going to bring.

Poor Alfie.

IronicWitttUsername · 22/04/2018 22:43

It's only gone to private because the dignity fb page have been screenshotting and talking about it.

Atthebottomofthesea · 22/04/2018 22:45

I know someone said it looks like that there is someone behind the scenes helping to write the post but the last one looks like it has just been lifted from a web page.

I have anger towards the army. I am pretty certain that if they weren't there then TE would be a little at peace of what is happening, instead they are just keeping him going, but with completely the wrong support.

BrashCandicoot · 22/04/2018 22:45

Why has he recorded his and Alfi's birth under Common Law court?

Because the poor man is desperate and will go along with whatever the latest parasitic advisor has told him that if it gives him hope, however false. It's frankly disgusting that he's being given such poor advice at this traumatic time.

Tattybogle89 · 22/04/2018 22:45

Yeah the odd posts vanished then the group set to private again. Is the date tomorrow I assume? Or is nobody allowed to say

theredjellybean · 22/04/2018 22:46

Efrig... I know, but if I was a picu consultant I'd be wanting to say 'OK if you know better than us go ahead'..even if I knew that in a million years I would actually stand by as I had a duty of care. But that is why I am not a picu consultant and am. Just a GP.

MorningCuppa · 22/04/2018 22:46

The posts are still there I've just looked but yes the group is now closed.

theredjellybean · 22/04/2018 22:47

' I wouldn't stand by...' sorry typo

auditqueen · 22/04/2018 22:47

I really don't understand this craziness. It's very sad, but the child is effectively dead, so surely it's mor cruel to continue to force air into his lungs? I'm no neuroscientist but even I know thwt the brain stem is just for the basic responses, but without the rest of the brain tissue then there's no hope?

Lots of people have lost children. Even if they haven't lost children, they have lost people they love. It's sad, but you do get to a point where someone is so ill, so in pain and there's no hope so it's kinder to let them die. Dying is not always,the,worst thing in the world.

Ravenclawrealist · 22/04/2018 22:48

It's frankly disgusting that he's being given such poor advice at this traumatic time.

It is indeed its shocking people can give legal advice to such vulnerable people with no repercussions for their actions.

miffytherabbit1974 · 22/04/2018 22:49

@cocoabutterformula

Thanks, cocoa. This is the only forum so far that seems to be inhabited by people who actually want a real and sane talk about this situation. There have been some really thought-provoking posts made by folks here over the last day or two.

Just off at a slight tangent, I listened to "Inside The Ethics Committee" on Radio 4 last night on listen again. I wanted to see if the hospital's general approach similar to how situations like these should usually play out. It's a really interesting listen, even though there are obvious and clear differences:

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01ljl4y#play

TakemedowntoPotatoCity · 22/04/2018 22:50

This is ridiculous. He's has lost the plot and if he carries on will get himself arrested. No-one is above the law. No-one. Alfies rights trump his. I am trying to be sympathetic but I'm done. Sorry.

Efrig · 22/04/2018 22:50

I know that’s probably what they want to say Sad it’s unthinkable that people should have such an effect on others around them, particularly when they’re trying their best to provide care. I wonder how many staff the hospital will lose due to this. I wonder how much harm will be caused. These things can have far reaching consequences.

MarvelleGazelle · 22/04/2018 22:51

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StatisticallyChallenged · 22/04/2018 22:53

This just seems to be getting worse; the Gard case was awful but IIRC at the end the parents did chose to spend the last days/hours quietly with their son and seemed to be much better advised. Alfie's parents seem to be surrounded by cranks feeding them utter nonsense and false hope - anyone who is convincing a parent to waste these precious hours on freeman on the land bollocks is an utter heartless bastard imo.

miffytherabbit1974 · 22/04/2018 22:55

The more some of T.E's statements are scrutinised the more insensible they appear. This has been quoted before, but this:

"We will clear the way for the traffic to and from Alder Hey. Its staff shall continue to go about their normal business, and unless they attempt to harm Alfie, they have nothing to fear."

The bold part of his paragraph doesn't sound like a visiting parent of a very sick child in hospital. It sounds like a person who is labouring under the illusion that they are the owner or management of the hospital.

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