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Alfie Evans

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IcySlippy · 01/02/2018 11:50

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/alfie-evans-parents-plead-sons-14231597

Anyone following this?

OP posts:
Pessismistic · 22/04/2018 22:30

He said on the news the other day both parents accept he will die I thinks he means Alfie’s body gives up on its own.

CocoaGin · 22/04/2018 22:30

The saddest thing of all is that Dad just doesn't realise how hard Alfie is fighting every second - he is fighting to die Sad. Dad can only see his own pain and suffering, not his sons and for that no one is judging him or belittiling him - I think most of the posts on this thread have been wishing for Dad to calm down, step back and take all of this on board. I'm terrified for him that he won't get the last moments with his son, and he will regret that until his dying day. I will never forget the hours we spent with our son - it was the hardest thing we've ever done but it was also the most precious as we knew it was our last time together. It would be unthinkable to see Dad removed by the Police and his partner to do that alone Sad

Bratsandtwats · 22/04/2018 22:30

Those on FB urging the Dad to take Alfie and run, how far do they think they are going to get without his life-support?
Not even counting police and security stopping them.

GherkinSnatch · 22/04/2018 22:31

There's nothing natural about the process as it stands. It's heartbreaking, and the dad is being spurred on by the army who are lucky if they have half an ounce of sense between the lot of them. I only see one party attempting to act in the best interests and dignity of the child, and it's not the baying mob.

Leontine · 22/04/2018 22:31

@Pessismistic

But it will give up on it's own without the ventilator.

theredjellybean · 22/04/2018 22:31

Pessimistic.. I think most of us have expressed great sympathy with TE on this thread, we are not judging him, most of us just wish he'd realise the futility of his actions and go and be with his dying son.

x2boys · 22/04/2018 22:31

Yes Drs are not always right my son has a condition which meant he may not have walked or talked he can walk but can't talk other children with the same condition some are significantly worse than ds some are significantly better but Drs have to tell you every possibility, but in Alfies case every medic has agreed he isn't going to get better its utterly tragic but that's the way it is.

cocoabutterformula · 22/04/2018 22:32

Pessismistic there are lots of parents on here who HAVE been in this awful situation though.

Efrig · 22/04/2018 22:33

Oh god, the freemen on the land nutters have been sticking their nose in Shock

miffytherabbit1974 · 22/04/2018 22:34

@Pessimistic

You say, in reference to T.E: "...so he’s been mocked saying he’s acting like a spoilt brat.."

Your sentence reminded me that famous quote. "If someone shows you who they really are, believe them."

People would have to have a heart of stone and head of bone not to be empathetic to the family of Alfie, and even more empathetic to Alfie himself. Despite this, T.E. is doing things that are not only unhelpful to Alfie's cause, they are potentially endangering others. There are many, many parents who are put in this almost unimaginable position every week of the year in the UK. They do not resort to veiled threats, which is what T.E has done twice now. Indeed, in his most recent statement, he says:

"...We will clear the way for the traffic to and from Alder Hey. Its staff shall continue to go about their normal business, and unless they attempt to harm Alfie, they have nothing to fear..."

One doesn't need a psychology degree to see the clear inference in his statement. The argument that he is desperate really only goes so far. What about all the other parents in Alderhey with dreadfully ill, or even terminally ill, children? Are we seeing implicit threats of violence by the mob, or worse, being invoked by these parents? I'm not trying to be inflammatory, but that's what T.E has done here. Many of us have been through awful, awful things in our lives. Many of us. It doesn't give us an entitlement to behave badly. Yes, people might be right when they say T.E is raging and desperate. But, as I said earlier in the paragraph, there are desperate parents up and down the land in hospitals going mad with distress over the fate of their child, but they realise that potentially endangering people on hospital property and smearing and defaming hospital staff isn't likely to yield much in the way of help or positive reaction.

I mentioned it in an earlier post, but someone wise and older than T.E really, really needs to take him to one side and really talk to him about some of the choices he's making right now. If things turned seriously ugly at Alderhey, it's clear to see who would be blamed. This is not to even begin talking about the horrible effect these protestors and disruption are having to the dedicated staff there and the other frazzled and heartbroken parents visiting and caring for children who have no dog in this fight.

ilovegin112 · 22/04/2018 22:34

The Kardashian’s have been tweeted now

LetsGoFlyAKiteee · 22/04/2018 22:35

I just hope he can be there with his son tomorrow. None of these posts detailing what's happening or anything like that but have the private moment it should be! The post made aren't exactly positive especially the subtle threats but hopefully that's all they are.
He needs to be with his son at the moment not live regretting his actions if he can't.

Wornoutbear · 22/04/2018 22:36

From TE
Given the failings in the judicial and statutory systems, I have now turned to the Common Law Court to protect my family.

I have recorded my birth and Alfie’s birth with the Common Law Court and have obtained our Birth Certificates. These certificates confirm our standing under common law and protect our inherent birth rights.

In addition to recording our births with the Common Law Court, I have also obtained the ownership of our legal fictions through the Common Law Court and have the certificates to prove it.

The judicial system in this country has no authority over someone standing under common law jurisdiction, which means that when they issued an order to switch off Alfie’s machine, they were dealing with the legal fiction and not the living child.

As I have now obtained ownership of the legal fiction for Alfie, I can confirm that the fiction is not attached to him. This means that the court orders are not applicable to him and that they have no authority to prevent me from removing him.

If you wish to stand with us, please show your support by recording your own birth with the Common Law Court, there is no charge for doing so and it can be done by visiting the website

CommonLawCourt.com

If a statutory court were to interfere, fail to recognise, or abide by a Common Law Court process, this would be a denial of Common Law Rights and a Common Law crime against the people.

MayhemandMadness01 · 22/04/2018 22:38

Why has he recorded his and Alfi's birth under Common Law court?

CocoaGin · 22/04/2018 22:38

Where or who is he getting all this crap from?? Sad

Wouldn't it be so much kinder if each member of the barmy army told him to be with his son?

titchy · 22/04/2018 22:38

I own an acre of the moon - maybe I should donate it and they could gon there...?

cocoabutterformula · 22/04/2018 22:39

Miffy your posts are always very articulate and thought provoking, you sum up how a lot of us feel I suspect.

theredjellybean · 22/04/2018 22:39

I am a medical and I have to say that the picu doctors and nurses have more patience than me.. I am reaching the point of thinking I'd be saying... 'OK Tom, you remove him.. We will just stand back and not touch Alfie'...

TokyoSushi · 22/04/2018 22:39

Gosh what a mess, just let the poor boy go and be at rest

MirandaWest · 22/04/2018 22:39

What is the Common Law Court?

Efrig · 22/04/2018 22:40

There’s no such thing as the common law court. It’s a made up concept, by some crazies.

Tattybogle89 · 22/04/2018 22:40

The Facebook posts have been deleted

RhinoGirl · 22/04/2018 22:40

Oh my god when did he post that?

MirandaWest · 22/04/2018 22:41

I presumed it was made up but was wondering if I’d missed something.

Efrig · 22/04/2018 22:41

20 minutes ago.